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>>>IT WAS A REALLY BLUNT WAY TO>>>IT WAS A REALLY BLUNT WAY TO PUT IT, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE PUT IT, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE POINT. POINT. IT WAS A MONTH AFTER DONALD IT WAS A MONTH AFTER DONALD TRUMP HAD JUST BEEN ELECTED TRUMP HAD JUST BEEN ELECTED PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. QUOTE, AMERICANS ARE NO WISER QUOTE, AMERICANS ARE NO WISER THAN THE EUROPEANS WHO SAW THAN THE EUROPEANS WHO SAW DEMOCRACY YIELD TO FASCISM, DEMOCRACY YIELD TO FASCISM, NAZIISM, COMMUNISM. NAZIISM, COMMUNISM. OUR ONE ADVANTAGE IS THAT WE OUR ONE ADVANTAGE IS THAT WE MIGHT LEARN FROM THEIR MIGHT LEARN FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE. NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO DO SO. NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO DO SO. HERE ARE 20 LESSONS FROM THE HERE ARE 20 LESSONS FROM THE 20th CENTURY ADAPTED TO THE 20th CENTURY ADAPTED TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF TODAY. CIRCUMSTANCES OF TODAY. THAT WAS A FACEBOOK POST FROM A THAT WAS A FACEBOOK POST FROM A MONTH AFTER TRUMP WAS ELECTED. MONTH AFTER TRUMP WAS ELECTED. IT BASICALLY BROKE THE INTERNET IT BASICALLY BROKE THE INTERNET AT THE TIME. AT THE TIME. BY POPULAR DEMAND, IT SOON BY POPULAR DEMAND, IT SOON TURNED INTO THIS SURVIVOR’S TURNED INTO THIS SURVIVOR’S GUIDE OF A BOOK THAT LIKELY YOU GUIDE OF A BOOK THAT LIKELY YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW HAVE A DOG OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW HAVE A DOG EARED COPY OF OR MAYBE THAT EARED COPY OF OR MAYBE THAT YOU’VE BEEN CARRYING AROUND IN YOU’VE BEEN CARRYING AROUND IN YOUR BAG FOR A COUPLE YEARS IF YOUR BAG FOR A COUPLE YEARS IF YOU’RE LIKE ME. YOU’RE LIKE ME. IT IS CALLED “ON TYRANNY: IT IS CALLED “ON TYRANNY: LESSONS FROM THE 20th CENTURY.” LESSONS FROM THE 20th CENTURY.” IT IS FILLED WITH SOBERING IT IS FILLED WITH SOBERING ADVICE FOR BEING A CITIZEN IN A ADVICE FOR BEING A CITIZEN IN A COUNTRY THAT IS AT RISK. COUNTRY THAT IS AT RISK. BAG CITIZEN WHERE DEMOCRATIC BAG CITIZEN WHERE DEMOCRATIC NORMS AND THE BASICS OF OUR NORMS AND THE BASICS OF OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT SUDDENLY SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT SUDDENLY DON’T SEEM LIKE A GIVEN ANYMORE. DON’T SEEM LIKE A GIVEN ANYMORE. IT’S NOT AN ACTIVIST’S GUIDE PER IT’S NOT AN ACTIVIST’S GUIDE PER SE, IT’S A SURVIVOR’S GUIDE. SE, IT’S A SURVIVOR’S GUIDE. “THE NEW YORK TIMES” ADVISED “THE NEW YORK TIMES” ADVISED APPROACHING IT LIKE A MEDICAL APPROACHING IT LIKE A MEDICAL PAMPHLET ON AN INFECTIOUS PAMPHLET ON AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE. DISEASE. QUOTE, READ IT CAREFULLY AND BE QUOTE, READ IT CAREFULLY AND BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SYMPTOMS. ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SYMPTOMS. CASE IN POINT, LESSON NUMBER CASE IN POINT, LESSON NUMBER TWO, DEFEND INSTITUTIONS. TWO, DEFEND INSTITUTIONS. INSTITUTIONS HELP US TO PRESERVE INSTITUTIONS HELP US TO PRESERVE DECENCY. DECENCY. THEY FALL ONE AFTER THE OTHER THEY FALL ONE AFTER THE OTHER UNLESS EACH IS DEFENDED FROM THE UNLESS EACH IS DEFENDED FROM THE BEGINNING. BEGINNING. SO CHOOSE AN INSTITUTION YOU SO CHOOSE AN INSTITUTION YOU CARE ABOUT A COURT, A LAW, A CARE ABOUT A COURT, A LAW, A LABOR UNION, AND TAKE ITS SIDE. LABOR UNION, AND TAKE ITS SIDE. THIS IS FROM LESSON 14. THIS IS FROM LESSON 14. ESTABLISH A PRIVATE LIFE. ESTABLISH A PRIVATE LIFE. NASTIER RULERS WILL USE WHAT NASTIER RULERS WILL USE WHAT THEY KNOW ABOUT YOU TO PUSH YOUR THEY KNOW ABOUT YOU TO PUSH YOUR AROUND. AROUND. SCRUB YOUR COMPUTER OF MALWARE SCRUB YOUR COMPUTER OF MALWARE ON A REGULAR BASIS. ON A REGULAR BASIS. HAVE PERSONAL EXCHANGES IN HAVE PERSONAL EXCHANGES IN PERSON. PERSON. FOR THE SAME REASON, ROLE OF ANY FOR THE SAME REASON, ROLE OF ANY LEGAL TROUBLE. LEGAL TROUBLE. TRY NOT TO HAVE HOOKS. TRY NOT TO HAVE HOOKS. THIS IS FROM LESSON 5. THIS IS FROM LESSON 5. THIS HAS BEEN STUCK INTO ME LIKE THIS HAS BEEN STUCK INTO ME LIKE A SPLINTER UNDER A FINGER NAIL. A SPLINTER UNDER A FINGER NAIL. YOU WILL SEE WHY WHEN I TELL YOU YOU WILL SEE WHY WHEN I TELL YOU WHAT IT IS. WHAT IT IS. LESSONS 5 IS REMEMBER LESSONS 5 IS REMEMBER PROFESSIONAL ETHICS. PROFESSIONAL ETHICS. WHEN POLITICAL LEADERS ASSET WHEN POLITICAL LEADERS ASSET NEGATIVE EXAMPLE, PROFESSIONAL NEGATIVE EXAMPLE, PROFESSIONAL COMMITMENTS TO JUST PRACTICE COMMITMENTS TO JUST PRACTICE BECOME MORE IMPORTANT. BECOME MORE IMPORTANT. IT’S HARD TO SUBVERT A RULE OF IT’S HARD TO SUBVERT A RULE OF LAW STATE WITHOUT LAWYERS, OR TO LAW STATE WITHOUT LAWYERS, OR TO HOLD SHOW TRIALS WITHOUT JUDGES. HOLD SHOW TRIALS WITHOUT JUDGES. AUTHORITY CONTAINERS NEED AUTHORITY CONTAINERS NEED OBEDIENT CIVIL SERVANTS. OBEDIENT CIVIL SERVANTS. CONCENTRATION CAMP DIRECTORS CONCENTRATION CAMP DIRECTORS SEEK BUSINESSMEN INTERESTED IN SEEK BUSINESSMEN INTERESTED IN CHEAP LABOR. CHEAP LABOR. LIKE I SAID, STARK, RIGHT? LIKE I SAID, STARK, RIGHT? BUT IT IS NOT DRAWN UP FROM BUT IT IS NOT DRAWN UP FROM NOWHERE. NOWHERE. IT’S SPECIFICALLY DRAWN UP FROM IT’S SPECIFICALLY DRAWN UP FROM AN EXPERT’S HISTORY OF OTHER AN EXPERT’S HISTORY OF OTHER COUNTRIES, OTHER COUNTRIES NO COUNTRIES, OTHER COUNTRIES NO DUMBER AND NO WISER THAN OURS, DUMBER AND NO WISER THAN OURS, THAT NEVERTHELESS LOST THEIR THAT NEVERTHELESS LOST THEIR DEMOCRACIES AT SOME POINT IN THE DEMOCRACIES AT SOME POINT IN THE 20th CENTURY. 20th CENTURY. YALE PROFESSOR TIMOTHY SNIDER YALE PROFESSOR TIMOTHY SNIDER SPEAKS FIVE AND READS TEN SPEAKS FIVE AND READS TEN DIFFERENT EUROPEAN LANGUAGES. DIFFERENT EUROPEAN LANGUAGES. HE HAS STUDIED RUSSIA AND HE HAS STUDIED RUSSIA AND UKRAINE FOR A QUARTER CENTURY. UKRAINE FOR A QUARTER CENTURY. OUR COUNTRY IS NOW STARTING THE OUR COUNTRY IS NOW STARTING THE PROCESS OF IMPEACHING THE PROCESS OF IMPEACHING THE PROCESS BECAUSE OF HIM TRYING TO PROCESS BECAUSE OF HIM TRYING TO ENLIST THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE ENLIST THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE AGAINST HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES, AGAINST HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES, ALSO APPARENTLY TO MUDDY THE ALSO APPARENTLY TO MUDDY THE WATERS ABOUT RUSSIA HELPING HIM WATERS ABOUT RUSSIA HELPING HIM WIN THE LAST ELECTION. WIN THE LAST ELECTION. BECAUSE OF THAT, I ASKED BECAUSE OF THAT, I ASKED PROFESSOR SNIDER IF HE WOULDN’T PROFESSOR SNIDER IF HE WOULDN’T MIND COMING TO THE STUDIO MIND COMING TO THE STUDIO TONIGHT TO HELP GIVE US HELP TONIGHT TO HELP GIVE US HELP WITH THIS. WITH THIS. HE’S JOINING US NOW, AUTHOR OF HE’S JOINING US NOW, AUTHOR OF “THE ROAD TO UNFREEDOM.” “THE ROAD TO UNFREEDOM.” PROFESSOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING PROFESSOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. HERE.>>VERY GLAD.>>VERY GLAD.>>LET ME JUST ASK YOU, AS A>>LET ME JUST ASK YOU, AS A HISTORIAN, AS A PUBLIC HISTORIAN, AS A PUBLIC INTELLIGENTUAL TO TALK TO PEOPLE INTELLIGENTUAL TO TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT RUSSIA, TALK TO AMERICANS ABOUT RUSSIA, TALK TO AMERICANS ABOUT RUSSIA, TALK TO US ABOUT ABOUT RUSSIA, TALK TO US ABOUT FREEDOM AND THE CONTEXT OF WHAT FREEDOM AND THE CONTEXT OF WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR ELECTION, HOW HAPPENED IN OUR ELECTION, HOW ARE YOU FEELING THIS WEEK? ARE YOU FEELING THIS WEEK?>>I’M FEELING LIKE PEOPLE ARE>>I’M FEELING LIKE PEOPLE ARE UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING WHICH WE UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING WHICH WE NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE BEGINNING, NAMELY, THAT WE’RE BEGINNING, NAMELY, THAT WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. A LOT OF THE WAYS OUR DEMOCRACY A LOT OF THE WAYS OUR DEMOCRACY IS GOING SOUR HAPPENED ALREADY IS GOING SOUR HAPPENED ALREADY IN RUSSIA. IN RUSSIA. A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE DOING TO US INVOLVE RUSSIANS ARE DOING TO US INVOLVE JUST KIND OF JOLLYING US ALONG. JUST KIND OF JOLLYING US ALONG. MR. TRUMP SAYING, WELL, YEAH, OF MR. TRUMP SAYING, WELL, YEAH, OF COURSE INTERFERING WITH SPECIAL COURSE INTERFERING WITH SPECIAL ELECTIONS OKAY. ELECTIONS OKAY. EVERYBODY DOES IT. EVERYBODY DOES IT. THAT’S EXACTLY THE LINE WHICH THAT’S EXACTLY THE LINE WHICH RUSSIA IS TRYING TO PUSH. RUSSIA IS TRYING TO PUSH. THERE AREN’T FACTS, THERE’S NOT THERE AREN’T FACTS, THERE’S NOT LAW, THERE’S NOT JUSTICE. LAW, THERE’S NOT JUSTICE. EVERYTHING’S REALLY A JOKE. EVERYTHING’S REALLY A JOKE. ONLY POWER MATTERS. ONLY POWER MATTERS. WHAT WE’RE SEEING TODAY IS HOW WHAT WE’RE SEEING TODAY IS HOW THIS FITS TOGETHER. THIS FITS TOGETHER. IT’S NOT JUST THAT RUSH HELPED IT’S NOT JUST THAT RUSH HELPED MR. TRUMP TO GET ELECTED, MR. TRUMP TO GET ELECTED, THERE’S A CERTAIN RUSSIAN WAY OF THERE’S A CERTAIN RUSSIAN WAY OF DOING POLITICS HAS SPREAD DOING POLITICS HAS SPREAD WIDELY. WIDELY.>>IS THE IDEA THAT THERE’S NO>>IS THE IDEA THAT THERE’S NO REASON FOR RUSSIA TO BE HELD TO REASON FOR RUSSIA TO BE HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR BAD BEHAVIOR BECAUSE ACCOUNT FOR BAD BEHAVIOR BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOOD THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOOD BEHAVIOR, THERE IS NO MORAL BEHAVIOR, THERE IS NO MORAL LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD OR MORAL LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD OR MORAL EXPECTATION IN TERMS OF HOW EXPECTATION IN TERMS OF HOW COUNTRIES SHOULD BEHAVE, AND THE COUNTRIES SHOULD BEHAVE, AND THE U.S. AS THE WORLD’S POLICEMAN, U.S. AS THE WORLD’S POLICEMAN, THAT’S BASICALLY HOW THEY SOLD THAT’S BASICALLY HOW THEY SOLD THEIR INTERNATIONAL STANDING FOR THEIR INTERNATIONAL STANDING FOR A GENERATION NOW? A GENERATION NOW?>>LOGICALLY IT MAKES NO SENSE.>>LOGICALLY IT MAKES NO SENSE. EITHER THINGS ARE GOOD OR NOT EITHER THINGS ARE GOOD OR NOT GOOD. GOOD. IF IT’S BAD TO INVADE COUNTRIES IF IT’S BAD TO INVADE COUNTRIES ILLEGAL, IT’S BAD. ILLEGAL, IT’S BAD. WHETHER IT’S A ROCK OR UKRAINE. WHETHER IT’S A ROCK OR UKRAINE. WHAT YOU CAN’T SAY UNLESS YOU’RE WHAT YOU CAN’T SAY UNLESS YOU’RE A KID ON A PLAYGROUND, HE DID IT A KID ON A PLAYGROUND, HE DID IT SO IT’S OKAY FOR ME TO DO IT. SO IT’S OKAY FOR ME TO DO IT. EITHER THERE ARE PRINCIPLES OR EITHER THERE ARE PRINCIPLES OR THERE ARE NOT PRINCIPLES. THERE ARE NOT PRINCIPLES.>>WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS>>WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS PERSONAL LAWYER, MR. RUDY PERSONAL LAWYER, MR. RUDY GIULIANI, APPARENTLY TRYING TO GIULIANI, APPARENTLY TRYING TO ENLIST UKRAINE IN A NUMBER OF ENLIST UKRAINE IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EFFORTS, WE’VE BEEN DIFFERENT EFFORTS, WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, OF THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TRYING TO EITHER ENGINEER OR DIG TRYING TO EITHER ENGINEER OR DIG UP SOMETHING THAT WILL HURT JOE UP SOMETHING THAT WILL HURT JOE BIDEN, THAT WILL HURT THE BIDEN, THAT WILL HURT THE PRESIDENT’S POTENTIAL POLITICAL PRESIDENT’S POTENTIAL POLITICAL OPPONENT IN 2020, BEYOND THAT, OPPONENT IN 2020, BEYOND THAT, THOUGH, SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE THOUGH, SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A COUPLE OTHER BEEN LOOKING FOR A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. THINGS. THEY’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR LAW THEY’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST THE ACCUSERS OF PAUL MANAFORT, ACCUSERS OF PAUL MANAFORT, PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT FORWARD PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT FORWARD EVIDENCE OF MANAFORT’S CORRUPT EVIDENCE OF MANAFORT’S CORRUPT BEHAVIOR IN UKRAINE THAT ENDED BEHAVIOR IN UKRAINE THAT ENDED UP GETTING HIM KICKED OFF THE UP GETTING HIM KICKED OFF THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN IN 2016 PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN IN 2016 THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO HIM GOING THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO HIM GOING TO JAIL WHERE HE SITS TODAY. TO JAIL WHERE HE SITS TODAY. THEY’RE TRYING TO UNDO THE THEY’RE TRYING TO UNDO THE PROSECUTION OF PAUL MANAFORT. PROSECUTION OF PAUL MANAFORT. THEY’RE ALSO TRYING TO UNDO THE THEY’RE ALSO TRYING TO UNDO THE INITIAL ATTRIBUTION OF THE 2016 INITIAL ATTRIBUTION OF THE 2016 ATTACK TO RUSSIA. ATTACK TO RUSSIA. THEY WANT TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THEY WANT TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE MAYBE RUSSIA DIDN’T ATTACK US. MAYBE RUSSIA DIDN’T ATTACK US. WHY IS ALL OF THIS HAPPENING WHY IS ALL OF THIS HAPPENING THROUGH UKRAINE? THROUGH UKRAINE?>>I’M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT>>I’M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I WANT TO START QUESTION BECAUSE I WANT TO START JUST BY REMINDING US ALL THAT JUST BY REMINDING US ALL THAT UKRAINE IS A REAL COUNTRY. UKRAINE IS A REAL COUNTRY. UKRAINE HAS REAL PROBLEMS. UKRAINE HAS REAL PROBLEMS. FOR EXAMPLE, UKRAINE WAS INVADED FOR EXAMPLE, UKRAINE WAS INVADED BY RUSSIA. BY RUSSIA. RUSSIA ANNEXED UKRAINIAN RUSSIA ANNEXED UKRAINIAN TERRITORY AND HAS TAKEN 12,000 TERRITORY AND HAS TAKEN 12,000 MORTAL CASUALTIES IN THIS WALL MORTAL CASUALTIES IN THIS WALL WHICH IS ABOUT AS MUCH AS WHICH IS ABOUT AS MUCH AS VIETNAM FOR US. VIETNAM FOR US. AND THE RUSSIAN WAR IN UKRAINE AND THE RUSSIAN WAR IN UKRAINE WAS JUST AS UNEXPECTED. WAS JUST AS UNEXPECTED. THIS IS A COUNTRY WITH 2 MILLION THIS IS A COUNTRY WITH 2 MILLION INTERNAL REFUGEES. INTERNAL REFUGEES. BUT THIS IS A PLACE THAT HELD BUT THIS IS A PLACE THAT HELD DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS THE LAST DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS THE LAST ONE AND THIS ONE FREE AND FAIR. ONE AND THIS ONE FREE AND FAIR. THEY HAVE BIG PROSHZ. THEY HAVE BIG PROSHZ. WHAT THEY NEED FROM US IS TO WHAT THEY NEED FROM US IS TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO FOLLOW THE ENCOURAGE THEM TO FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW. RULE OF LAW. THE TRAGIC THING, AS YOU SAY, THE TRAGIC THING, AS YOU SAY, ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING NOW IS ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING NOW IS THAT WE’RE DOING THE OPPOSITE. THAT WE’RE DOING THE OPPOSITE. EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT MR. EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT MR. GIULIANI AND MR. TRUMP ARE DOING GIULIANI AND MR. TRUMP ARE DOING IS PUSHING THEM IN THE WRONG IS PUSHING THEM IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. DIRECTION. THEY’RE URGING THE PRESIDENT OF THEY’RE URGING THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY TO BE CORRUPT. THE COMPANY TO BE CORRUPT. THEN THEY’RE SAYING YOUR OLD THEN THEY’RE SAYING YOUR OLD PROSECUTOR GENERAL, WHO PROSECUTOR GENERAL, WHO EVERYBODY AGREED WAS THE MOST EVERYBODY AGREED WAS THE MOST CORRUPT PERSON IN THE COUNTRY, CORRUPT PERSON IN THE COUNTRY, HE SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK. HE SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK. AND THEN YOU’RE INVESTIGATIVE AND THEN YOU’RE INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS, WHO ARE THE GOOD JOURNALISTS, WHO ARE THE GOOD GUYS IN THIS STORY, THOSE PEOPLE GUYS IN THIS STORY, THOSE PEOPLE ARE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED ARE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES, ENEMIES OF AMERICA. STATES, ENEMIES OF AMERICA. THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY FIND OUT THE THINGS WHO ACTUALLY FIND OUT THE THINGS WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT INEQUALITY, CORRUPTION, AND WAR. INEQUALITY, CORRUPTION, AND WAR. THAT FOR ME IS JUST AWFUL. THAT FOR ME IS JUST AWFUL.>>THE THING THAT IS, I THINK,>>THE THING THAT IS, I THINK, AS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS UKRAINE TO AS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS UKRAINE TO GET THAT LEVEL OF UKRAINE, WHAT GET THAT LEVEL OF UKRAINE, WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO TO THEM AND THIS IS GOING TO DO TO THEM AND VIS-A-VIS WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO VIS-A-VIS WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO HANDLE IN TERMS OF RUSSIA, IT’S HANDLE IN TERMS OF RUSSIA, IT’S FASCINATING. FASCINATING. AND SO THE IDEA THAT THEY’RE AND SO THE IDEA THAT THEY’RE OVER THERE BASICALLY TUNING UP OVER THERE BASICALLY TUNING UP ALL THE GOOD GUYS AND HELPING ALL THE GOOD GUYS AND HELPING OUT — TUNING OUT THE GOOD GUYS OUT — TUNING OUT THE GOOD GUYS AND HELPING THE BAD GUYS, IT’S AND HELPING THE BAD GUYS, IT’S HARD FOR ME TO KNOW WHY THERE HARD FOR ME TO KNOW WHY THERE AND WHAT IT IS ABOUT UKRAINE AND WHAT IT IS ABOUT UKRAINE THAT HAS BECOME THEIR PLAYGROUND THAT HAS BECOME THEIR PLAYGROUND IN THIS WAY. IN THIS WAY.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I MEAN, THERE ARE A COUPLE I MEAN, THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON HERE. THINGS GOING ON HERE. FIRST, THEY CORRECTLY HAVE THE FIRST, THEY CORRECTLY HAVE THE INSTINCT THAT UKRAINE AND INSTINCT THAT UKRAINE AND AMERICA AND RUSSIA ARE PART OF AMERICA AND RUSSIA ARE PART OF ONE STORY. ONE STORY. IT’S JUST THEY HAVE IT WRONG IT’S JUST THEY HAVE IT WRONG HOW. HOW. AS RUSSIA WAS INVADING UKRAINE AS RUSSIA WAS INVADING UKRAINE IN 2014, IT WAS TRYING OUT THE IN 2014, IT WAS TRYING OUT THE HYBRID WAR STRATEGIES, THE CYBER HYBRID WAR STRATEGIES, THE CYBER WAR STRATEGIES IT USED IN 2016 WAR STRATEGIES IT USED IN 2016 AGAINST US. AGAINST US. IN THAT SENSE, IT IS ALL ONE IN THAT SENSE, IT IS ALL ONE STORY AND THE PERSONAL STORY AND THE PERSONAL CONNECTION OF PAUL MANAFORT, WHO CONNECTION OF PAUL MANAFORT, WHO IS THE ADVISER OF BOTH UKRAINIAN IS THE ADVISER OF BOTH UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT AND THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT AND THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT TO BE WAS THE PRESIDENT TO BE WAS THE EXCLAMATION POINT AT THE END OF EXCLAMATION POINT AT THE END OF ALL OF THAT. ALL OF THAT. SO THEY’RE RIGHT IT’S ALL SO THEY’RE RIGHT IT’S ALL CONNECTED BUT THEY’RE WRONG CONNECTED BUT THEY’RE WRONG ABOUT HOW. ABOUT HOW. WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS, BY THE WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS, BY THE WAY, THE SAME THING THAT THE WAY, THE SAME THING THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE SAYING, FOR RUSSIANS ARE SAYING, FOR EXAMPLE, A RUSSIAN SENATOR SAID EXAMPLE, A RUSSIAN SENATOR SAID TODAY WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS TODAY WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS THAT ACTUALLY THE WHOLE THING THAT ACTUALLY THE WHOLE THING WAS UKRAINE HELPING THE WAS UKRAINE HELPING THE DEMOCRATS, NOT RUSSIA HELPING DEMOCRATS, NOT RUSSIA HELPING THE REPUBLICANS AND MR. TRUMP. THE REPUBLICANS AND MR. TRUMP. AND THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD UP AND THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD UP THIS SORT OF COUNTERNARRATIVE THIS SORT OF COUNTERNARRATIVE WHICH THEY CAN USE AS A WHICH THEY CAN USE AS A BOOMERANG TO PUSH THE OTHER ONE BOOMERANG TO PUSH THE OTHER ONE BACK. BACK. THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS, BUT THE MOST OBVIOUS IS THIS, BUT THE MOST OBVIOUS IS IT’S JUST NOT TRUE. IT’S JUST NOT TRUE. THEY HAVE AN INSTINCT. THEY HAVE AN INSTINCT. THEY CAN SNIFF OUT WHO THE WORST THEY CAN SNIFF OUT WHO THE WORST PEOPLE ARE. PEOPLE ARE. THEY’RE VERY GOOD AT THAT, BUT THEY’RE VERY GOOD AT THAT, BUT THEY DON’T HAVE THEIR FACTS THEY DON’T HAVE THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY STRAIGHT ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AS THEY DON’T HAVE A HAPPENED AS THEY DON’T HAVE A BASIS ON WHICH TO BUILD THIS BASIS ON WHICH TO BUILD THIS ZUCKERKANDEL IF YOU CAN HOLD ON, ZUCKERKANDEL IF YOU CAN HOLD ON, PROFESSOR, I WANT TO ASK YOU PROFESSOR, I WANT TO ASK YOU ALSO HOW YOU THINK WE’RE DOING ALSO HOW YOU THINK WE’RE DOING AS A COUNTRY DEALING WITH THIS

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