BBC Panorama – The Prince and the Epstein Scandal (2/12/19) (720p) (50fps)

BBC Panorama – The Prince and the Epstein Scandal (2/12/19) (720p) (50fps)


This programme contains
some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. Tonight on Panorama,
we hear from the woman who says she was trafficked
to a prince for sex. He got up and said thanks,
and I sat there in bed, just horrified and ashamed
and felt dirty. Prince Andrew insists it isn’t true. I can absolutely, categorically tell
you it never happened. He knows what happened. I know what happened,
and there’s only one of us telling the truth,
and I know that’s me. Tonight, we reveal how another five
women want to call Prince Andrew as a witness to events
in Jeffrey Epstein’s homes. With respect to Prince Andrew,
I think he needs to come clean, and I think the facts need
to be revealed. We investigate the woman Prince
Andrew still calls his friend. Ghislaine controlled the girls. She was like the Madam. She was like the nuts and bolts
of the sex trafficking operation. And we uncover new information
about the photo at the heart of a royal scandal. It’s a real photo. I’ve given it to the FBI
for their investigation and it’s an authentic photo. The world I was living in was not… It was not glamorous,
it was not pretty. I might have been meeting
some of the most famous people in the world,
but it didn’t matter to me, because these are bad people
who were hurting me. Virginia Giuffre is now
a married mum-of-three. Her life today couldn’t be more
different than when she was the teenage Virginia Roberts. It was a fancy cage but it
didn’t make it better. It didn’t make it easier
to do what I had to do. She’s the woman who says
she was trafficked to London to have sex with Prince Andrew. Her allegations have created
a crisis for the Royal Family. And Prince Andrew’s interview
on Newsnight made it worse. Do you recall any kind of sexual
contact with Virginia Roberts then or any other time? None whatsoever. I have no recollection
of ever meeting this lady. I admit fully that my judgement
was probably coloured by my tendency to be too honourable. The Prince’s interview has been
widely described as disastrous. The backlash has forced him to step
away from public life and it’s cast a shadow over the whole Royal
Family. Now the woman making
the allegations wants people in the UK to hear her side. She spoke to Panorama before
Prince Andrew went public. She’s since told us
she stands by every word. I implore the citizens in the UK
to stand up beside me, to help me fight this fight,
to not accept this as being OK. This is not some sordid sex story. This is a story of being trafficked,
this is a story of abuse and this is a story of your guys’ royalty. To really understand
Virginia Roberts’ story, you need to understand the Prince’s
friendship with a prolific sex offender. Do you solemnly swear
the testimony you’re about to give will be the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Yes, I do. Could you please give us your name? Jeffrey Epstein. Wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein
was accused of sexual assault by more than 30 under-age
girls in 2006. He was convicted, then released
after just 13 months in jail. Then earlier this year
he was charged with sex trafficking. But he took his own life in custody
before his victims got justice. It’s pretty upsetting to see how
many lives he’s devastated and to see how long this went
on for and nobody did anything about it. For over a decade, Prince Andrew
visited Epstein at his homes in Florida, New York,
and the Caribbean. He even travelled on one
of Epstein’s private planes. He had the most extraordinary
ability to bring extraordinary people together, and that’s the bit
that I remember as going to the dinner parties
where you would meet academics, politicians, people
from the United Nations. We’ve tried to co-operate
by setting this deposition… I think the best way
to describe Jeffrey Epstein… ..was just creepy. He would use his power,
he would use his power, he would use his money… ..to convince these young girls that
really didn’t know any better to engage in some things
that they just would have otherwise hopefully never have done. This is where Epstein found
many of his youngest victims. Royal Palm Beach High
School in Florida. He recruited schoolgirls
and paid them to give him and his guests massages. Shpresa Kokollari was
approached when she was 16. I knew a girl in high school. She said, “You want to make
a little bit of money? “I know a rich man who lives
in downtown West Palm, “he pays girls to give them – him –
a naked massage, in the nude.” And, I’m thinking, well,
that sounds awful easy, you know, how much? She said $300 for an hour. I’m thinking to myself, well, OK. I said, OK how do…? How do we set it up? That was when she said, oh, well,
no, we weren’t looking for you but what you would do
is find someone else. And what exactly was the profile
that he was looking for? Um, teen…teenage young girl,
slim body figure, small breasts. In 2005, the parents
of a 14-year-old girl called the police to report Epstein. They start off by giving this
gentleman a massage and he pays them, and if he likes them,
if they’re pretty enough, he keeps them around to do other things. OK. The police then recorded
the first interviews with Epstein’s young victims. The recordings paint a sordid
picture of Prince Andrew’s friend. I wore a skirt and regular T-shirt,
and I was massaging his legs and he asked me to take
off my skirt. Epstein would send taxis to collect
the girls from school. They were brought here,
to his house, in Palm Beach, where he abused them. I had problems with it
the first time I went. But $200 for 40mins –
that’s a lot for a 16-year-old girl making six bucks an hour. Many of Epstein’s young victims came
from troubled backgrounds. When you think of Palm Beach
you think of glitz, glamour, beach and money, but not
all of Palm Beach is like that. Places like here, just a couple
of miles from Epstein’s home, this is where many of the girls,
many of the victims that he chose, this is where they came from. Lawyer Spencer Kuvin
represented some of the first girls to come forward. He put their allegations to Epstein
in filmed testimony. Sir, according to the police
department’s probable cause affidavit, one witness
described your penis as egg-shaped. Those are not my words. I apologise. This is now adjourned. He would frequently
say, you know, I… Through his lawyers,
I don’t understand why everybody’s so upset at me. You know, these young girls came
voluntarily, I didn’t drug them, I didn’t force them into any of this
and they got money out of it as well. Completely ignoring the fact
that they were 14 and 15 years old. It was a pattern of behaviour
that spanned decades. And Jeffrey Epstein may
not have acted alone. In the 1990s, he started dating
Ghislaine Maxwell soon after the death of her father,
the newspaper baron Robert Maxwell. So how does it all look? Is my hair good? Do I…? It’s all good. I think perhaps the trauma
of her father’s death left Ghislaine quite,
er, uneasy and feeling unprotected. And I think that’s one
of the reasons why she gravitated toward Epstein and stayed with him
for so long. Some of Epstein’s victims also blame
Ghislaine Maxwell for what happened. There wasn’t Jeffrey
or wasn’t Ghislaine. It was… They…they fed off each other. They literally… They would feed off
each other’s energy. Sarah Ransome was 22 when Epstein
enticed her into his circle. Well, she was his right-hand woman,
his right-hand lieutenant, you know? She would be the one
getting all the girls, um, you know, in check. She knew what Jeffrey liked. She worked and helped maintain
Jeffrey’s standard by intimidation, by intimidating the girls. So…so this was very
much a joint effort. Ghislaine Maxwell also
happens to be one of Prince Andrew’s oldest friends. He’s known her for
more than 30 years. She was the socialite who introduced
Epstein to the rich and powerful. Ghislaine was the one
who introduced him. She introduced him
to Peter Mandelson. She introduced him to Prince Andrew. I understand she forged the
relationship with President Clinton. She introduced him to many,
many people that he eventually became friendly with. In July 1999, Ghislaine Maxwell
and Epstein visited the Prince at Balmoral. The next summer, he invited
them to royal birthday celebrations at Windsor Castle. The day after, the Prince
took them to Ascot. These pictures have never
been published before. In December that year, the couple
was invited to Sandringham for a shooting weekend. Prince Andrew says it was always
more about Ghislaine Maxwell than Epstein. It was his girlfriend
that was the key element in this. He was the, as it were,
plus one, to some extent. It was Ghislaine Maxwell
who introduced Virginia Roberts to Epstein. She was exactly the kind
of vulnerable girl he preyed on. I was abused from a very young age. Seven years old, and my childhood
was quickly taken away from me. I was just so mentally scarred
already at such a young age and I ran away from that. I found nothing on the streets
except for hunger and pain and abuse, and it was scary. I wanted to get out of it. In 2000, Virginia Roberts was
working as a locker room attendant at Donald’s Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
resort in Palm Beach. at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
resort in Palm Beach. She was just turning 17
and was getting her life together. Then Ghislaine Maxwell
offered her the chance to train as a massage therapist. I ran over to my dad,
who works on the tennis courts at Mar-a-Lago,
and he knows I’m trying to fix my life up at that point,
which is why he got me the job there, and, uh, I said,
“You’re not going to believe it, Dad, I just got offered a job,
an interview, but if he likes me for the interview
then I’m going to be… They’re to train me as a real
masseuse, a real massage therapist.” Virginia Roberts went
to Epstein’s Palm Beach home for the interview. Ghislaine walks me up the stairs. And there…there’s this naked guy
laying on a massage table in the middle of the room. Although there was this naked man,
I thought, this is just how they do it, I suppose. He looked up at Ghislaine. She’s like, OK, here’s the lotions,
here’s the oils, put your lotions and oils on your arms,
almost keep your hand on the person you’re massaging,
and start with one foot, and she’ll get the other foot
and then we’ll work together. So you just mimic my movements. So anyways, that thought went
fleeing from my head like, that was strange, cos we’re doing
this massage now. Through that time, I mean,
they were asking me questions about who I was. And, you know, how I got
to work at Mar-a-Lago, and I really wanted them to know how
important it was to me, um, to nail this interview
and to possibly, you know, be educated from… To become a real massage therapist,
and they seemed like nice people. So I trusted them and I told them
I’d had a really hard time in my life up until then. I’d been a runaway. I’ve been sexually abused.
I’ve been physically abused. I’ve just…
I’ve had a really hard trot. That was the worst thing that
I could’ve told them, because now they knew how vulnerable
I was. It was like a gift for them. That’s exactly what they needed. That’s exactly what they
wanted and they got it. So they told me to take my clothes
off, and Ghislaine takes her clothes off and Epstein’s already nude,
and, um, they start touching me and they ask me to do
things for him and, um, and I just…I did. I fell right into the
back of that circle. I thought, this is just
what life’s about. This must be what life’s about,
because I have never had somebody just take me in and say
that they’re going to do something and then not do something. So, yeah, it was…it
was a really… It was a real big kick in the gut,
uh, and it was the face of reality that I just succumbed to. I just… It’s all I’d known. So I let them abuse me and I did
what they told me to do. She would be trapped with Epstein
for almost two years before she broke away. In court papers, Ghislaine Maxwell
calls Virginia Roberts a liar and denies assaulting her. But she admits she arranged
massages for Epstein. This note later recovered
from the Palm Beach house by the police shows Epstein had
a list of women who were paid to massage him and his guests. Many of them were teenagers. Mike Pezzulo works as a handyman
in Epstein’s street. He used to see
the girls come and go. Sometimes three or four a day. I have no idea. But I… It wasn’t just one a day coming
when I would see them coming out way back,
there was a lot of girls coming. What did you think was going on? Exactly what was going on. I knew that the people I worked
for knew what was going on. And most all the people on this
street knew what was going on. Prince Andrew was
a visitor here, too. In legal papers, Epstein’s
former housekeeper says… “Prince Andrew spent weeks with us.” He’s asked if the Prince
“would frequently have massages”. The housekeeper says… “I would say daily massages.” We asked Prince Andrew
whether he ever had a massage while visiting here. He didn’t answer our question. Many of the allegations
concerning the Prince are based on statements made in court cases. When they were released,
the judge warned that the statements did not reflect the court’s
findings, and that legal filings could be untrue. Prince Andrew says he never
saw anything suspicious at Epstein’s homes. That’s the United Nations
right over there… And so does another
well-connected guest. We met in his homes with many,
many people for conferences. None of us had any suspicion
that he was leading a private life involving young women. We just had no hint of that. He always had a taste
for beautiful women, but in their middle-to-late
20s and 30s. We never, ever saw him or suspected
that he was involved with teenagers. Through his friendship with Epstein,
Alan Dershowitz also got to meet the Prince. The lawyer still has a letter that
Prince Andrew wrote after attending one of his Harvard lectures in 1999. This is the letter, I have it. And he ends the letter with… “I look forward to continuing my
intellectual challenge with you and Jeffrey E” –
Epstein – “in the coming months.” Wow. So he certainly regarded
you as someone to look and to learn from. Well, he enjoyed the
experience very much. He called it a fantastic experience. But that also…
Jeffrey Epstein. Yes, he clearly looked
to Jeffrey Epstein as somebody who could help educate him,
whether in matters of finance or anything else, I don’t know. Epstein didn’t just charm
lawyers and princes. He was welcomed into
the houses of the rich and powerful around the world. And there was a constant stream
of visitors to his homes. Nine of Epstein’s victims say
he forced them to have sex with other people as well. It went from just being abused
by Epstein to then being passed around like a platter,
like a platter of fruit. It was always explicit that there was the massage aspect of it,
the majority of the times people did want the massage first,
and then they wanted to, um… They wanted to have
intercourse or whatever nature they needed or wanted that day
sexually to happen. Virginia Roberts was taken around
the world by Epstein. I was flying on private jets. And going places I never
imagined I would go to. He took her to parties
for the rich and famous. In 2001, Epstein brought
the 17-year-old to London. They arrived on March 9th,
and left two days later. Virginia Roberts stayed here,
at Ghislaine Maxwell’s house. And she says Prince
Andrew came to visit. We’re having tea and Andrew’s
talking about Fergie, which is his ex-wife at that point,
and Ghislaine’s bad-mouthing Fergie as well, and Epstein’s just socially
awkward so I think he’s just laughing about everything,
and I’m sitting there, like I was always told to do,
is sit there, don’t talk unless you’re talked to,
and be polite and laugh at everything that someone says
when they’re trying to be funny. It seemed like friends
just catching up. According to Virginia Roberts,
the Prince then went with her to Tramp nightclub. He asked me to dance. He is the most hideous dancer I’ve
ever seen in my life. I mean, it was horrible, and this
guy was sweating all over me, like, his sweat was
like, it was raining, basically, everywhere. I was just, like, grossed
out from it but I knew I had to keep him happy,
because that’s what Jeffrey and Ghislaine would have expect from me. There’s a slight problem
with the sweating, because I have a peculiar medical
condition, which is that I don’t sweat, or I didn’t sweat
at the time, and that was… Was it…? Yes, I didn’t sweat at the time,
because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose
of adrenalin in the Falkland’s War when I was shot at, and I simply… It was almost impossible
for me to sweat. Prince Andrew’s response has
been widely questioned. There are pictures of him
from the same period, where he appears to be sweating. Virginia Roberts says her night out
with the Prince took a darker turn when they left the club. Ghislaine did her rounds around
the club and then… ..comes and tells me, we’re
going back to the town house now and Andrew’s coming back with us. So Andrew drives in the other car.
He’s not with us. He’s with his security guards. And in the car, Ghislaine tells me
that I have to do for Andrew what I do for Jeffrey,
and that just made me sick. I just didn’t expect
it from royalty. I didn’t expect it from someone that
people look up to and admire, you know, in the Royal Family. When they got back to the house,
she says she asked Epstein to take a picture to show her family. She then carried out
the instructions to entertain the Prince. There was a bath, and it
started there, and then it led into the bedroom,
and it didn’t last very long, the whole entire procedure. It was disgusting. Erm, he wasn’t mean or anything. But he got up, and he said
“thanks”, and walked out, and I sat there in bed,
just horrified, and ashamed, and felt dirty. And I had to get up and go
have a shower, and, you know, the next day Ghislaine tells me
I did a really good job. You know, she pats me
on the back, and said, “You made him really happy.” And… It was a wicked time
in my life, it was a really scary time in my life. I had just been abused
by a member of a Royal Family. So when you talk about these
chains, you know, yeah, I wasn’t chained to a sink,
but these powerful people were my chains. I didn’t know what could
happen and I just… I couldn’t comprehend how
in the highest levels of the government and powerful
people were allowing this to happen. Not only allowing it to happen,
but participating in it. Do you want to stop for a second? If you don’t mind,
just for a tissue. I’m sorry. I can absolutely categorically tell
you it never happened. Do you recall any kind of sexual
contact with Virginia Roberts then or any other time? None whatsoever. Prince Andrew says it
couldn’t have happened. Because he has an alibi
for the 10th of March. I was at home. I was with the children,
I’d taken Beatrice to a Pizza Express in Woking
for a party, at, I suppose, sort of 4.00 or 5.00 in the afternoon. And then because the Duchess
was away, we have a simple rule in the family that when one is away,
the other one is there. Prince Andrew says he deplores
the exploitation of any human being, and would not condone, participate
in, or encourage any such behaviour. He says he can’t remember ever
meeting Virginia Roberts. So what about the photo? The photograph was taken
on the first floor of the house. Prince Andrew says he’s
been here, but says he’s never been up the stairs. The photo was first published
in 2011, after a newspaper tracked Virginia Roberts down. They paid her $160,000
for her story. This year, Palace sources started
suggesting for the first time that the photo was a fake. But Prince Andrew stopped
just short of that. From the investigations that we’ve
done, you can’t prove whether or not that photograph is faked or not,
because it is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph. That’s me, but whether that’s my
hand, or whether that’s the position I… But I don’t… I have simply no recollection
of the photograph ever being taken. They’ve had this
photograph for years. They just figured out
that they think it’s a forgery? If it wasn’t a real photograph,
what’s the first thing they would have said years ago? “Well, that’s not real”. We’ve spoken to the
photographer, who copied the original photo in 2011. He has no doubt it’s genuine. And we’ve found evidence
that backs that up. This is an affidavit from a man
Virginia Roberts was dating in 2001. He says he saw the photo back then. In 2011, it was in a bundle
of 20 photos Virginia Roberts gave the FBI. They were scanned front and back,
but only 19 were made public. The photo of Virginia Roberts
and the Prince was removed and so were the reference numbers. We’ve been told these
missing numbers are for the Prince Andrew photo. Virginia Roberts says there’s a date
stamped on the back of the photo from when it was printed: 13 March
2001 – two days after she left London. I think the world is getting sick
of these ridiculous excuses. It’s a real photo. I’ve given it to the FBI
for their investigation, and it’s an authentic photo. There’s a date on the back of it
from when it was printed. It’s a real photo. Virginia Roberts reported the events
of that night in London to the Metropolitan Police in 2015. I gave them all the details
about that night with Prince Andrew, and, and what, how the trafficking
took place, and what it looked like, and, and they said, “OK,
well, that’s fantastic, “thank you for letting us know.” Erm, I said, But what are you guys
going to be able to do about it? She made an allegation
that she was forcibly trafficked for sex with Prince Andrew. But the Met didn’t investigate. Scotland Yard should follow
any available evidence, which is credible, or at least
purports to be credible, against anyone involved,
to be sexually abusing, and trafficking young ladies. None of us are above the law. If you and I were alleged
to have committed this, I think the Metropolitan Police
would have been knocking on our doors. The Met says it always takes
allegations of sexual exploitation seriously. But following legal advice,
it decided it was not the appropriate authority to conduct
inquiries focused outside the UK. The Met reviewed its decision
after Epstein’s death, and its position remains unchanged. All told, how many times did
you have sex in the circumstances that you described with Prince
Andrew? There was three times. And where, where was that? Virginia Ghislaine’s
town house in London, Ghislaine’s town house in London, Jeffrey’s mansion in New York,
and Jeffrey’s island in the Caribbean. This is Little Saint James,
one of Jeffrey Epstein’s two private islands in the Caribbean. Virginia Roberts says she was forced
to take part in an orgy with Prince Andrew here in 2001. The Prince admits
visiting the island. But he categorically
denies any sexual contact. Five years later, Sarah Ransome
was taken to the island. She thought Epstein
was a benefactor, who’d support her through college. I was like, great, going
to a private island, private plane. This is something out
of another world. This is something that the average
person would never have the opportunity in their life
ever to experience. It was her first big
trip with Epstein. She says she was on his private jet,
when she realised she was entering a very different world. On the plane, he started having
full erotic sex in front of the entire plane. I thought that I was the mad one,
because everyone else found it completely normal. It was like making a cup of tea. His home was stranger still. There were perspex boxes of condoms,
full of condoms, and it was very much set up for orgies. The first few hours,
it was like I was almost being, er, softened up. and being shown, taught how
to massage properly, erm, and then I noticed girls
disappearing, and I didn’t, I didn’t really understand what was going on. Erm, you know, it’s not a very
openly spoken about thing, and then it was my turn,
and then I was called in to his room, er,
where there was a massage table. Erm, he asked me to lie
on the massage table, erm, and he was going to give me a full
body massage, erm, to show me how he liked it, and because he’s like,
it’s all about doing the massage professionally, and getting those
knots out, and, and, yeah, so he started massaging me,
which is when he took out, er, that, er, this big vibrator. And that’s when he started,
erm, abusing me with, erm, sexual apparatus. Erm, and he, yeah, he raped me. Sarah Ransome stayed
with Epstein for six months. She says she was under his control. It was on the island
that she met Ghislaine Maxwell for the first time. So I am just told this,
this woman is arriving. This is who she is,
and you better stay well clear, and do exactly what she asks
you to do, exactly. I’ve never met someone that has been
so dismissive of other human beings in my life. Basically treated us
like we were shit on her shoe. The way she spoke to us,
the way she bullied us right from the start. In court documents,
Sarah Ransome says it got so bad, she wanted to escape the island. But the couple had
taken her passport. I was genuinely, genuinely
going to swim off. I didn’t care how, who, why, what,
when I was going to get off that island, but you can’t. There’s no way off. I didn’t care how,
who, why, what, when, There’s no doubt both Sarah Ransome
and Virginia Roberts are victims of Epstein. But there are inconsistencies
in both women’s accounts of how they were abused
by Epstein’s friends. Sarah Ransome told a paper
she had videos of Bill Clinton on the island. She then admitted this wasn’t true. Virginia Roberts once claimed
she had met Prince Andrew in New Mexico, rather
than on Epstein’s island. And she hasn’t always mentioned
an orgy involving the Prince. In 2015, Virginia Roberts claimed
she had been forced to have sex with Alan Dershowitz, too. There’s never been a #MeToo case
where the accuser and the accused didn’t know each other. In my case, it’s the only one
where there isn’t a scintilla of evidence that I ever met
this woman, ever. And overwhelming evidence that
I couldn’t have met her. Alan Dershowitz points
to this e-mail. It was sent to Virginia Roberts,
four years before she accused him. It’s from a journalist who’s
advising her about a book deal. It says, “Don’t forget
Alan Dershowitz, JE’s buddy and lawyer, good name
for your pitch. You probably met him”. There was an e-mail exchange
between a newspaper reporter and Virginia Roberts,
where it seemed to be that the newspaper reporter
was suggesting that Dershowitz be included as a potential offender. Well, you have to ask
the newspaper reporter why she would be suggesting that,
if she was suggesting it. I don’t think she was suggesting
that, I think she was reminding Virginia of something that Virginia
had said previously. The real issues here are, was there
a sex trafficking operation? Absolutely. Was Virginia a victim of that? Absolutely. Was she trafficked to
a variety of people? Absolutely. There’s never been any inconsistency
about those central issues. Alan Dershowitz says he only had one
massage at Epstein’s home, and he kept his underwear on. I was in New York. I had dinner at Chung Lee dynasty. He says he has detailed records that
prove he wasn’t in the places where the abuse was alleged. One thing is crystal clear,
the allegations against me are totally made up. I never met these people. I’ve never had sex with anyone other
than my wife from the day I met Jeffrey Epstein. Totally, totally,
totally false story. The people who say that you’re
not telling the truth, they point to inconsistencies
in your tale. How do you account for those? You are left with a,
a foggy memory sometimes. You really are. So, yeah, you know, I, I might be
wrong on dates, absolutely. I might be wrong on places, even,
sometimes, but one thing that I can tell you is you never forget
the face of someone who’s heaved over you. Jeffrey Epstein abused
girls and young women at all of his luxury homes. Many of his crimes were
committed here in New York. Just imagine some young girl,
some young woman coming to New York for the first time,
into this world, and then falling into the orbit of someone
like Jeffrey Epstein. This is Epstein’s house
off Fifth Avenue. Virginia Roberts says that she met
Prince Andrew here, too. During the visit, she says
Ghislaine Maxwell brought out a Spitting Image
puppet of the Prince. This woman – Joanna Sjoberg – has
said she was also there that night. Prince Andrew put the puppet
on Joanna’s breast, and Ghislaine was like,
“I want to take a picture of that , and they did. They took a picture,
and they were laughing about it. I mean, like I said,
it just goes to show how much we were not even dignified
as humans to them. We were just, we were there as,
as toys, as to be passed around. In a court statement, Joanna Sjoberg
confirms the puppet story, but she has a slightly different
version of events. She says… “I sat on Andrew’s lap and they took
the puppet’s hands and put it on Virginia’s breast,
and so Andrew put his on mine”. Virginia Roberts says
she was ordered to have sex with the Prince later that evening. A claim he denies. I was staying with the Consul
General, which is further down the street on the Fifth,
so I wasn’t… I wasn’t staying there. I may have visited,
but no, definitely didn’t, definitely, definitely no,
no, no activity. This is the exit photographs. It is now 2:15pm. In 2005, Epstein’s prolific abuse
finally caught up with him. We’re police officers
from Palm Beach County, Florida. This is footage from a police search
of Epstein’s Palm Beach home. A house Prince Andrew admits
he visited four times. Some walls are decorated
with pictures of naked young women. The police also found hidden cameras
and recording equipment. Epstein was being investigated
for unlawful sex acts with four minors, but it wasn’t made public. In July 2006, Prince Andrew
invited him to Windsor Castle again. Epstein was a guest
at Princess Beatrice’s 18th birthday party. Palm Beach police were waiting
to arrest him when he returned. But the charge had been reduced
to “solicitation of prostitution”. When he called me and said
he needed me to be his lawyer, I said, “What for?”,
and he told me. I said, “Oh my god,
did you do that?” And he then told me
that he had had massages. He under, underplayed
the story very, very much. But that was the first hint
or inkling that he had done anything wrong. Epstein’s arrest was made public –
but that doesn’t seem to have put Prince Andrew off. Six weeks later, flight
logs show the Prince and Ghislaine Maxwell flew
to Edinburgh in Epstein’s private jet. By 2008, Epstein was being
accused of sex crimes by dozens of underage girls. But Alan Dershowitz helped negotiate
a secretive plea deal. Epstein pleaded guilty to two
prostitution charges, and served just 13 months in prison. We could never understand why the US
Attorney’s office gave him such a sweetheart deal at the end
of the day. I don’t think it was just his money
and power, because people who are powerful and have a lot
of money are prosecuted regularly here in the United States if they’ve
done something wrong. This was something else. It just didn’t make sense. The plea deal also barred
the prosecution of anybody who’d helped Epstein. It was later found to be unlawful,
because it violated the rights of his victims. By December 2010, Epstein was free,
and Prince Andrew attended the convicted sex offender’s welcome
home dinner party. The Prince stayed at Epstein’s
New York mansion for five days. I would hope that,
er, if Prince Andrew was taking advice from anyone,
somebody would have warned him of the consequence,
and his reputation. And if anyone knew
that he was continuing to associate with a known,
convicted paedophile, surely common sense would have said stop it? The Prince and the paedophile took
a walk in Central Park, and a second infamous
photo was taken. At the time, the Prince’s former
wife Sarah Ferguson suggested the Prince was sorting out a £15,000
loan for her. The Prince now says he went
to New York because he thought he should end his friendship
with Epstein in person. But why did he stay with a convicted
sex offender for five days? It was a convenient place to stay. At the end of the day –
with the benefit of all the hindsight that one can have –
it was definitely the wrong thing to do. But at the time, I felt
it was the honourable and right thing to do,
and I admit fully that my judgment was probably coloured by my tendency
to be too honourable, but that’s just the way it is. Prince Andrew also kept in contact
with Ghislaine Maxwell. She was first publicly named
as a sex abuser in court documents back in 2009. But the Prince didn’t
end their friendship. Our evidence suggests he even asked
for her help in dealing with Virginia Roberts’ claims. We’ve found an e-mail the Prince
sent to Ghislaine Maxwell in 2015. It was buried in thousands of pages
of legal documents that have been filed in America. The e-mail is short but significant. The Prince tells
Ghislaine Maxwell… “Let me know when we can talk. “Got some specific questions to ask
you about Virginia Roberts”. She replies… “Have some info. “Call me when you have a moment . Three days later, Ghislaine Maxwell
sent Alan Dershowitz a “dossier of inconsistencies and inaccuracies
in articles about Virginia Roberts. She repeatedly comments on stories
about the Prince and that visit to her London home. You’d expect Ghislaine Maxwell
to simply say it never happened, the Prince never met Virginia
Roberts. The photo’s a fake. But she doesn’t do that. She never disputes that
Virginia Roberts was in her house and took a photo with Prince Andrew. In April this year, new sex abuse
allegations were made against Epstein and Ghislaine
Maxwell. The story was widely reported. But in June, Prince Andrew
met his old friend Ghislaine Maxwell once again. Did you discuss Epstein at all? No, actually, funny enough, no,
not at all, there wasn’t anything to discuss about him,
because he wasn’t in the news, you know, it was just… We had moved on. In July, Jeffrey Epstein
was arrested and charged with sex trafficking. A month later, he killed himself. Ghislaine Maxwell is now herself
being investigated by the FBI. They are interviewing
Epstein’s victims about her. Nine women have also made complaints
against her in civil court cases. Ghislaine controlled the girls. She was like the Madam. She was like the nuts
and bolts of the sex She was like the nuts and bolts
of the sex trafficking operation, and she would always visit Jeffrey
on the island, to make sure that the girls were doing what they were
supposed to be doing. Jeffrey had a sickness, right? He had a sickness that
could not be cured, and he does not belong in society
at all, but Ghislaine had a viciousness to her. She had a really mean
streak about her. So, the more pain you went through,
the more she got off. Another of Prince Andrew’s
friends could now face sex trafficking charges. I must say, I think
she is very culpable. I mean, she was a central
part of the Epstein sex trafficking operation. She played an important
role in recruiting, grooming, manipulating… She denies all of this, of course. If you say so. Erm… If you say so. Am I mis-characterising
her response or… Well, no I think, I think that’s,
I think that’s probably fair, in some respects. There was a deposition,
indeed multiple depositions that were, that were,
she gave in the case we brought against her. Those depositions are sealed. Some of those sealed court
statements may soon be made public. In the documents that are already
public, Ghislaine Maxwell says the allegations are lies. She denies abusing or
trafficking any women. If Ghislaine Maxwell
is prosecuted, Prince Andrew could be a crucial witness. He’s already been asked
twice by the victims’ lawyers for an interview. But he hasn’t replied
to their letters. One of the things that we have tried
and actually tried in quite a respectful way to do,
is to interview Prince Andrew and to try to get what his explanation is. He was a frequent visitor. They ought to submit
to an interview. They ought to talk about it. We have discovered that five more
women want Prince Andrew to testify in court. They say he witnessed how
young women were giving massages at Epstein’s homes. Subpoenas have been
prepared in all five cases. And it means that the next time
Prince Andrew visits the States, he faces being ordered to give
evidence – whether he likes it or not. I have no doubt that if he comes
here to the United States that he likely will have to answer
to someone, whether it be the US Attorney’s Office, or under subpoena
by another attorney here. The Prince told Panorama he’s
“willing to help any appropriate law enforcement agency”
with their investigations if required. He says, “Epstein’s suicide has left
many unanswered questions”, particularly for his victims. He says he “deeply sympathises
with those affected” and hopes that in time “they will be able
to rebuild their lives”. And it is “emphatically denied”
that he had “any form of sexual contact or relationship”
with Virginia Roberts. One of America’s most
prolific sex offenders was never brought to justice. Do you regret the whole
friendship with Epstein? Now, still not, and the reason
being is that the people that I met and the opportunities that
I was given to learn either by him or because of him
were actually very useful. With respect to Prince Andrew, er,
I think he needs to come clean, and I think the facts need
to be revealed. No one is above the law, not
the President of the United States, not a Prince of the United Kingdom. Prince Andrew now says
he unequivocally regrets his ill-judged association with Jeffrey
Epstein. The people on the inside are
going to keep coming up with these ridiculous excuses. Like the photo was doctored, or, er,
he came to New York to break up with Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, come on, I’m calling BS
on this, because that’s what it is. He knows what happened. I know what happened,
and there’s only one of us telling the truth,
and I know that’s me. The next time Prince Andrew
tells his story, it may be as a witness under oath. The sex life and honesty
of a senior Royal will be under scrutiny as never before.

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