At Issue #2113 “Illinois’ Political Future”

At Issue #2113 “Illinois’ Political Future”


I AM H. WAYNE WILSON.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US
FOR A HALF-HOUR CONVERSATION OF FOR A HALF-HOUR CONVERSATION OF
THE POLITICAL STATUS OF WITH THE THE POLITICAL STATUS OF WITH THE
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS GOING ON IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS GOING ON
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
IN SPRINGFIELD RIGHT NOW. IN SPRINGFIELD RIGHT NOW.
WE WILL BE TALKING TO THREE WE WILL BE TALKING TO THREE
LEGISLATORS ABOUT THE SITUATION LEGISLATORS ABOUT THE SITUATION
REVOLVING AROUND GOVERNOR ROD REVOLVING AROUND GOVERNOR ROD
BLAGOJEVICH AND WHAT IS NEXT FOR BLAGOJEVICH AND WHAT IS NEXT FOR
THE STATE OF ILLINOIS. THE STATE OF ILLINOIS.
TO HELP US WITH THAT DISCUSSION, TO HELP US WITH THAT DISCUSSION,
HERE IS SENATOR DAVE KOEHLER, HERE IS SENATOR DAVE KOEHLER,
WHO IS A DEMOCRAT REPRESENTING WHO IS A DEMOCRAT REPRESENTING
THE REGION. THE REGION.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>>THANK YOU, H.>>THANK YOU, H.
>>DAVE LEITCH IS A>>DAVE LEITCH IS A
REPRESENTATIVE, REPUBLICAN, OUT REPRESENTATIVE, REPUBLICAN, OUT
OF PEORIA. OF PEORIA.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>>GREAT TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN.>>GREAT TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN.
>>AND DALE RISINGER, REPUBLICAN>>AND DALE RISINGER, REPUBLICAN
SENATOR. SENATOR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING
HERE. HERE.
>>GOOD TO BE HERE.>>GOOD TO BE HERE.
BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE
SITUATION IN SPRINGFIELD, LET’S SITUATION IN SPRINGFIELD, LET’S
TALK ABOUT WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE TALK ABOUT WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE
THE TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY. THE TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY.
IT APPEARS AS WE ARE RECORDING IT APPEARS AS WE ARE RECORDING
THIS ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON, IT THIS ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON, IT
APPEARS THAT TOMORROW, FRIDAY, APPEARS THAT TOMORROW, FRIDAY,
THAT RAY LAHOOD WILL BE THAT RAY LAHOOD WILL BE
APPOINTED AS TRANSPORTATION APPOINTED AS TRANSPORTATION
SECRETARY. SECRETARY.
YOUR INITIAL RESPONSE TO THAT YOUR INITIAL RESPONSE TO THAT
ELECTION. ELECTION.
>>WELL, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD>>WELL, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD
MOVE. MOVE.
OBAMA SAID ALL ALONG HE WANTED OBAMA SAID ALL ALONG HE WANTED
TO HAVE A BIPARTISAN CABINET, TO HAVE A BIPARTISAN CABINET,
AND RAY LAHOOD WAS A GOOD AND RAY LAHOOD WAS A GOOD
SELECTION ON THAT. SELECTION ON THAT.
>>AS FORMER ILLINOIS DEPARTMENT>>AS FORMER ILLINOIS DEPARTMENT
OF TRANSPORTATION EMPLOYEE, WHAT OF TRANSPORTATION EMPLOYEE, WHAT
ARE YOUR THOUGHTS WHAT THAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS WHAT THAT
MIGHT MEAN FOR THE STATE? MIGHT MEAN FOR THE STATE?
>>WELL, I AM EXCITED ABOUT IT>>WELL, I AM EXCITED ABOUT IT
BECAUSE I THINK RAY LAHOOD BECAUSE I THINK RAY LAHOOD
CERTAINLY KNOWS THE ISSUES OF CERTAINLY KNOWS THE ISSUES OF
THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE
CONCERNS. CONCERNS.
HIS WILL BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE HIS WILL BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE
POSITION OVER ALL OF THAT, BUT, POSITION OVER ALL OF THAT, BUT,
CERTAINLY, IT CAN’T HELP BUT PUT CERTAINLY, IT CAN’T HELP BUT PUT
SOME LIGHT ON THE NEEDS OF THE SOME LIGHT ON THE NEEDS OF THE
STATE OF ILLINOIS. STATE OF ILLINOIS.
SO I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SO I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
>>THIS WILL INCLUDE ROADS,>>THIS WILL INCLUDE ROADS,
RAILROADS, MASS TRANSIT. RAILROADS, MASS TRANSIT.
>>VERY HIGH HONOR, BOTH FOR RAY>>VERY HIGH HONOR, BOTH FOR RAY
AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK WE ALL SHOULD CELEBRATE I THINK WE ALL SHOULD CELEBRATE
THE FACT THAT THIS IS GOING TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS GOING TO
HAPPEN BECAUSE IT SPEAKS WELL OF HAPPEN BECAUSE IT SPEAKS WELL OF
WHAT THE COUNTRY THINKS OF RAY WHAT THE COUNTRY THINKS OF RAY
AND WHAT WE ALL THINK OF RAY. AND WHAT WE ALL THINK OF RAY.
>>AND AS FAR AS RECOLLECTION,>>AND AS FAR AS RECOLLECTION,
THE FIRST TIME A PEORIAIAN, IF THE FIRST TIME A PEORIAIAN, IF
APPOINTED AS EXPECTED, HAVING A APPOINTED AS EXPECTED, HAVING A
CABINET PERSON FROM PEORIA. CABINET PERSON FROM PEORIA.
WE HAD JOHN BLOCK, AGRICULTURE WE HAD JOHN BLOCK, AGRICULTURE
SECRETARY FROM GALESBURG. SECRETARY FROM GALESBURG.
ED MADIGAN FROM LINCOLN. ED MADIGAN FROM LINCOLN.
BUT THOSE ARE THE CLOSEST TO BUT THOSE ARE THE CLOSEST TO
PEORIA. PEORIA.
>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.
>>CONGRATULATIONS TO RAY LAHOOD.>>CONGRATULATIONS TO RAY LAHOOD.
LET’S MOVE TO SOME NEWS THAT I LET’S MOVE TO SOME NEWS THAT I
AM SURE THE THREE OF YOU WOULD AM SURE THE THREE OF YOU WOULD
PREFER NOT TO BE DISCUSSING IF PREFER NOT TO BE DISCUSSING IF
YOU HAD YOUR CHOICE, BUT, YOU HAD YOUR CHOICE, BUT,
NONETHELESS, IT IS HERE. NONETHELESS, IT IS HERE.
THE CHARGES BY U.S. ATTORNEY THE CHARGES BY U.S. ATTORNEY
PATRICK FITZGERALD AGAINST THE PATRICK FITZGERALD AGAINST THE
GOVERNOR HAVE BROUGHT SOME POOR GOVERNOR HAVE BROUGHT SOME POOR
REPUTATION TO ILLINOIS POLITICS. REPUTATION TO ILLINOIS POLITICS.
IS THAT DESERVEED? IS THAT DESERVEED?
>>WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR>>WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR
HISTORY, I GUESS IT IS SOMEWHAT HISTORY, I GUESS IT IS SOMEWHAT
BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE REAL GOOD BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE REAL GOOD
TRACK RECORD. TRACK RECORD.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS TOO BAD AND I THINK THAT THAT IS TOO BAD
BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD
PEOPLE IN PUBLIC SERVICE IN PEOPLE IN PUBLIC SERVICE IN
ILLINOIS. ILLINOIS.
DO YOU SOMETIMES FIND THAT THERE DO YOU SOMETIMES FIND THAT THERE
IS THIS BROAD BLANKET CAST ON IS THIS BROAD BLANKET CAST ON
ALL POLITICIANS IN ILLINOIS ALL POLITICIANS IN ILLINOIS
RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY FROM A RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY FROM A
NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE? NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE?
>>WELL, I WOULD SAY THERE IS,>>WELL, I WOULD SAY THERE IS,
BUT I WOULD SAY IN MANY RESPECTS BUT I WOULD SAY IN MANY RESPECTS
IT IS WELL DESERVED. IT IS WELL DESERVED.
MEAN AS FAR AS PETER MEAN AS FAR AS PETER
FITZGERALD ANNOUNCEMENT, MY FITZGERALD ANNOUNCEMENT, MY
REACTION WAS IT IS ABOUT TIME REACTION WAS IT IS ABOUT TIME
BECAUSE I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THESE BECAUSE I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THESE
WERE BY FAR AND AWAY THE MOST WERE BY FAR AND AWAY THE MOST
CORRUPT PEOPLE RUNNING THE CORRUPT PEOPLE RUNNING THE
GOVERNMENT I HAD EVER SEEN GOVERNMENT I HAD EVER SEEN
BEFORE. BEFORE.
SO I AM HAPPY IT IS UNDER WAY, SO I AM HAPPY IT IS UNDER WAY,
AND THE SOONER HE IS GONE, THE AND THE SOONER HE IS GONE, THE
BETTER. BETTER.
>>THERE ARE THOSE WHO WOULD>>THERE ARE THOSE WHO WOULD
SUGGEST THAT MAYBE SUGGEST THAT MAYBE
MR. FITZGERALD MOVED A LITTLE MR. FITZGERALD MOVED A LITTLE
TOO QUICKLY, INCLUDING ED TOO QUICKLY, INCLUDING ED
GENSON, THE ATTORNEY FOR GENSON, THE ATTORNEY FOR
BLAGOJEVICH, IN THAT HE SAYS BLAGOJEVICH, IN THAT HE SAYS
WELL THIS IS JUST CONVERSATION. WELL THIS IS JUST CONVERSATION.
IT IS JUST PEOPLE ON THE PHONE IT IS JUST PEOPLE ON THE PHONE
CHATTING. CHATTING.
HE SAID THERE WAS NO EXCHANGE OF HE SAID THERE WAS NO EXCHANGE OF
MONEY. MONEY.
THERE WERE NO PROMISES MADE. THERE WERE NO PROMISES MADE.
IS THAT WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, IS THAT WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT,
FITZGERALD MOVED TOO EARLY? FITZGERALD MOVED TOO EARLY?
>>WELL, I THINK FITZGERALD>>WELL, I THINK FITZGERALD
REALIZED TO MOVE QUICKLY BEFORE REALIZED TO MOVE QUICKLY BEFORE
THE GOVERNOR APPOINTED SOMEBODY THE GOVERNOR APPOINTED SOMEBODY
TO THE SENATE SEAT. TO THE SENATE SEAT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS VERY AND I THINK THAT WAS VERY
LEGITIMATE. LEGITIMATE.
THERE IS THE CONSPIRACY TO THERE IS THE CONSPIRACY TO
COMMIT A CRIME, AND THAT IS A COMMIT A CRIME, AND THAT IS A
CRIME. CRIME.
THEN THERE IS THE ACTUAL THEN THERE IS THE ACTUAL
FOLLOWING THROUGH. FOLLOWING THROUGH.
I THINK WHAT FITZGERALD HAS SAID I THINK WHAT FITZGERALD HAS SAID
IS NOW THAT THEY HAVE FILED IS NOW THAT THEY HAVE FILED
THOSE CHARGES OF THE CONSPIRACY, THOSE CHARGES OF THE CONSPIRACY,
MALL FRAYED AND SO FORTH, THEY MALL FRAYED AND SO FORTH, THEY
WILL MOVE AHEAD WITH THE WILL MOVE AHEAD WITH THE
INVESTIGATION AND SEE IF ANY OF INVESTIGATION AND SEE IF ANY OF
THAT HAS BEEN CARRIED OUT. BUT THAT HAS BEEN CARRIED OUT. BUT
EVEN THE FIRST PART IS A CRIME. EVEN THE FIRST PART IS A CRIME.
NOW, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE NOW, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE
LOOKING AT IS NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT IS NOT NECESSARILY
WHETHER HE COMMITTED A CRIME OR WHETHER HE COMMITTED A CRIME OR
NOT, WE WILL LOOK WHETHER HE IS NOT, WE WILL LOOK WHETHER HE IS
FIT TO LEAD THE STATE OF FIT TO LEAD THE STATE OF
ILLINOIS. ILLINOIS.
THAT’S WHAT THE HOUSE THAT’S WHAT THE HOUSE
IMPEACHMENT IS LOOK AT AND IMPEACHMENT IS LOOK AT AND
THAT’S WHAT IF THEY DECIDE THERE THAT’S WHAT IF THEY DECIDE THERE
ARE — THERE IS AN IMPEACHMENT, ARE — THERE IS AN IMPEACHMENT,
THAT’S WHAT THE SENATE WILL LOOK THAT’S WHAT THE SENATE WILL LOOK
AT. AT.
>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS,>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS,
THE IMPEACHMENT, OCCURS ACTUALLY THE IMPEACHMENT, OCCURS ACTUALLY
IN THE HOUSE, RIGHT? IN THE HOUSE, RIGHT?
>>HOUSE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATION>>HOUSE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATION
CAUSE FOR IMPEACHMENT, AND IF CAUSE FOR IMPEACHMENT, AND IF
THE COMMITTEE PASSES ARTICLES OF THE COMMITTEE PASSES ARTICLES OF
IMPEACHMENT, THEY WILL BE IMPEACHMENT, THEY WILL BE
CONSIDERED IN THE HOUSE WHERE IT CONSIDERED IN THE HOUSE WHERE IT
TAKES A SIMPLE MAJORITY OR 60 TAKES A SIMPLE MAJORITY OR 60
VOTES. VOTES.
THEN WHERE THAT WERE TO PASS, IT THEN WHERE THAT WERE TO PASS, IT
GOES TO THE SENATE. GOES TO THE SENATE.
THE SENATE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A THE SENATE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A
TWO-THIRDS VOTE AND A TRIAL TWO-THIRDS VOTE AND A TRIAL
CONDUCTED BY THE CHIEF JUSTICE CONDUCTED BY THE CHIEF JUSTICE
OF THE SUPREME COURT. OF THE SUPREME COURT.
THE COMMITTEE THAT IS IN PLACE THE COMMITTEE THAT IS IN PLACE
THAT BARBARA FLYNN CURRIE IS THAT BARBARA FLYNN CURRIE IS
OVERSEEING RIGHT NOW, IS MOVING OVERSEEING RIGHT NOW, IS MOVING
SOMEWHAT DESCRIBED SLOWLY. SOMEWHAT DESCRIBED SLOWLY.
IS THAT INTENTIONAL? IS THAT INTENTIONAL?
DO THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE — DO THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE —
BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RULES. BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RULES.
>>THEY WANT TO BE DELIBERATE,>>THEY WANT TO BE DELIBERATE,
AND THEY WANT TO BE FAIR. AND THEY WANT TO BE FAIR.
THEY ARE PRECEDENT SETTING. THEY ARE PRECEDENT SETTING.
I AM SURE THEY ARE BEING VERY, I AM SURE THEY ARE BEING VERY,
VERY CAREFUL. VERY CAREFUL.
I THINK THEY HAVE MOVED, THOUGH, I THINK THEY HAVE MOVED, THOUGH,
VERY DELIBERATELY AND AS QUICKLY VERY DELIBERATELY AND AS QUICKLY
AS THEY COULD MOVE. AS THEY COULD MOVE.
BUT NOW IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE BUT NOW IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE
CAUTIOUS BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT CAUTIOUS BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT
TO INTERFERE WITH THE TO INTERFERE WITH THE
INVESTIGATION THAT IS BEING INVESTIGATION THAT IS BEING
CONDUCTED BY PETER FITZGERALD. CONDUCTED BY PETER FITZGERALD.
>>THE SITUATION IN SPRINGFIELD>>THE SITUATION IN SPRINGFIELD
RIGHT NOW IS GENSON HAS BEEN RIGHT NOW IS GENSON HAS BEEN
QUOTED AS SAYING THAT IF THEY QUOTED AS SAYING THAT IF THEY
WITCH HUNT, IS THAT WHAT THIS IS WITCH HUNT, IS THAT WHAT THIS IS
ALL ABOUT? ALL ABOUT?
OR IS HE JUST POSTURING? OR IS HE JUST POSTURING?
>>IT IS THEATER! (LAUGHING).>>IT IS THEATER! (LAUGHING).
>>A LOT OF SPRINGFIELD IS>>A LOT OF SPRINGFIELD IS
THEATER! (LAUGHING). THEATER! (LAUGHING).
>>LET’S CONTINUE WITH THE>>LET’S CONTINUE WITH THE
PROCESS. PROCESS.
FIRST OF ALL, THE ILLINOIS FIRST OF ALL, THE ILLINOIS
CONSTITUTION, WHICH IS BROADLY CONSTITUTION, WHICH IS BROADLY
BATIONED ON THE U.S. BATIONED ON THE U.S.
CONSTITUTION WITH REGARD TO CONSTITUTION WITH REGARD TO
IMPEACHMENT, DOESN’T HAVE MANY IMPEACHMENT, DOESN’T HAVE MANY
GUIDELINES SET FOR IMPEACHMENT. GUIDELINES SET FOR IMPEACHMENT.
WHAT KINDS OF OFFENSES DO YOU WHAT KINDS OF OFFENSES DO YOU
IMPEACH FOR? IMPEACH FOR?
>>THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I>>THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I
THINK THE ATTORNEYS IN THE THINK THE ATTORNEYS IN THE
LEGISLATURE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEGISLATURE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF
TROUBLE WITH BECAUSE THEY ARE TROUBLE WITH BECAUSE THEY ARE
USED TO JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS AND USED TO JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS AND
CRIMINAL LAW. CRIMINAL LAW.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
THAT. THAT.
IT IS REALLY A POLITICAL PROCESS IT IS REALLY A POLITICAL PROCESS
WHAT REPRESENTATIVE LEITCH HAS WHAT REPRESENTATIVE LEITCH HAS
TALKED ABOUT, IN TERMS OF YOU TALKED ABOUT, IN TERMS OF YOU
NEED A SIMPLE MAJORITY IN THE NEED A SIMPLE MAJORITY IN THE
HOUSE, AND NEED TWO-THIRDS VOTE HOUSE, AND NEED TWO-THIRDS VOTE
IN THE SENATE TO CONVICT. IN THE SENATE TO CONVICT.
IT REALLY CAN BE FOR WHATEVER IT REALLY CAN BE FOR WHATEVER
REASON. REASON.
I AM PRESUPERRING THAT THE MORE I AM PRESUPERRING THAT THE MORE
OF WHAT WE WILL LOOK AT RATHER OF WHAT WE WILL LOOK AT RATHER
THAN THE CRIMINALITY OF THIS THAN THE CRIMINALITY OF THIS
BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT THEY ARE BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT THEY ARE
GOING AFTER. GOING AFTER.
WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE
ISSUE IS THE GOVERNOR ABLE TO ISSUE IS THE GOVERNOR ABLE TO
LEAD THIS STATE AND FULFILL THE LEAD THIS STATE AND FULFILL THE
DUTIES OF HIS OFFICE. DUTIES OF HIS OFFICE.
RIGHT NOW, THAT’S NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, THAT’S NOT HAPPENING
BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHAOTIC. BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHAOTIC.
THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS
HAPPEN NEGOTIATE SPRINGFIELD HAPPEN NEGOTIATE SPRINGFIELD
THAT MAY BE DETRACTING FROM THE THAT MAY BE DETRACTING FROM THE
WHOLE PROCESS, INCLUDING LISA WHOLE PROCESS, INCLUDING LISA
MADIGAN, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, MADIGAN, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL,
FILED A REQUEST BEFORE THE FILED A REQUEST BEFORE THE
ILLINOIS SUPREME COURT. ILLINOIS SUPREME COURT.
THAT WAS REJECTED AS OF THAT WAS REJECTED AS OF
WEDNESDAY, THAT THE GOVERNOR WAS WEDNESDAY, THAT THE GOVERNOR WAS
UNFIT. UNFIT.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
>>WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK SHE>>WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK SHE
WAS FAR REACHING IN WHAT SHE WAS WAS FAR REACHING IN WHAT SHE WAS
LOOKING FOR. LOOKING FOR.
I THINK THE WHAT HER BASIS WAS I THINK THE WHAT HER BASIS WAS
WAS BASICALLY IF YOU HAD A WAS BASICALLY IF YOU HAD A
GOVERNOR THAT WAS MENTALLY ILL GOVERNOR THAT WAS MENTALLY ILL
OR UNFIT TO CARRY OUT THE DUTIES OR UNFIT TO CARRY OUT THE DUTIES
BASKETBALL HE WAS INCAPACITATED BASKETBALL HE WAS INCAPACITATED
PHYSICALLY OR FOR SOME REASON, PHYSICALLY OR FOR SOME REASON,
AND SHE WAS TRYING TO REACH OUT AND SHE WAS TRYING TO REACH OUT
AND PULL THAT IN. AND PULL THAT IN.
THAT WAS A TOUGH ONE I THINK FOR THAT WAS A TOUGH ONE I THINK FOR
HER TO PURSUE ANYWAY. HER TO PURSUE ANYWAY.
>>THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A QUICK>>THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A QUICK
SOLUTION IF THE SUPREME COURT SOLUTION IF THE SUPREME COURT
HAD AGREED. HAD AGREED.
IT WOULD HAVE REMOVED HIM FROM IT WOULD HAVE REMOVED HIM FROM
OFFICE AT LEAST TEMPORARILY OF OFFICE AT LEAST TEMPORARILY OF
AND YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD. AND YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD.
WHAT IS THIS DOING TO WHAT IS THIS DOING TO
LEGISLATION? LEGISLATION?
STARTING IN JANUARY, YOU CAN STARTING IN JANUARY, YOU CAN
SUBMIT BILLS, YOU HAVE BILLS SUBMIT BILLS, YOU HAVE BILLS
LEFT OVER IN THIS YEAR. LEFT OVER IN THIS YEAR.
>>A LOT OF BILLS.>>A LOT OF BILLS.
WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF BILLS, YES, WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF BILLS, YES,
BECAUSE THE REAL IMPACT OF THIS BECAUSE THE REAL IMPACT OF THIS
VERY BITTER FIGHT BETWEEN THE VERY BITTER FIGHT BETWEEN THE
SPEAKER AND THE GOVERNOR SPEAKER AND THE GOVERNOR
RESULTED IN WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE RESULTED IN WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE
RULES AMENDMENT WHERE THE RULES AMENDMENT WHERE THE
SPEAKER REQUIRED VIRTUALLY EVERY SPEAKER REQUIRED VIRTUALLY EVERY
BILL PASSED IN THE HOUSE TO BILL PASSED IN THE HOUSE TO
INCLUDE AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD INCLUDE AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD
REQUIRE RULES PROPOSED BY THE REQUIRE RULES PROPOSED BY THE
ADMINISTRATION TO IMPLEMENT ADMINISTRATION TO IMPLEMENT
THOSE PIECES OF LEGISLATION, TO THOSE PIECES OF LEGISLATION, TO
COME BACK TO THE GENERAL COME BACK TO THE GENERAL
ASSEMBLY FOR APPROVAL. ASSEMBLY FOR APPROVAL.
NOW, THOSE BILLS WERE DEAD ON NOW, THOSE BILLS WERE DEAD ON
ARRIVAL WHEN THEY HIT THE SENATE ARRIVAL WHEN THEY HIT THE SENATE
BECAUSE EMIL JONES WAS NOT GOING BECAUSE EMIL JONES WAS NOT GOING
TO COMEPORT WITH THE SPEAKER’S TO COMEPORT WITH THE SPEAKER’S
WISH. WISH.
AN ENTIRE BODY OF LEGISLATION AN ENTIRE BODY OF LEGISLATION
QUITE LITERALLY WAS WIPED OUT IN QUITE LITERALLY WAS WIPED OUT IN
THIS LEGISLATIVE YEAR, AND AS THIS LEGISLATIVE YEAR, AND AS
ONE CONSEQUENCE OF THE DISPUTE ONE CONSEQUENCE OF THE DISPUTE
WE HAVE BEEN SUFFERING FROM FOR WE HAVE BEEN SUFFERING FROM FOR
AS LONG AS THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN AS LONG AS THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN
IN OFFICE. IN OFFICE.
>>LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND>>LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND
THIS. THIS.
PASSED A PARTICULAR BILK AND IT PASSED A PARTICULAR BILK AND IT
STILL HAS TO GO TO RULES STILL HAS TO GO TO RULES
COMMITTEE AFTER THAT? COMMITTEE AFTER THAT?
>>THERE WERE RULES WRITTEN INTO>>THERE WERE RULES WRITTEN INTO
THE BILL. THE BILL.
SEE THE GOVERNOR USUALLY MAKES SEE THE GOVERNOR USUALLY MAKES
RULES, AWE KNOW, ALONG WITH RULES, AWE KNOW, ALONG WITH
JCAR. JCAR.
>>I AM ON J.C.A.R.>>I AM ON J.C.A.R.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE GOVERNOR WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE GOVERNOR
WAS IMPLEMENTING PROGRAMS, THE WAS IMPLEMENTING PROGRAMS, THE
BIG EXPANSIONS OF HEALTH CARE BIG EXPANSIONS OF HEALTH CARE
AND FAMILY CARE WITHOUT AN AND FAMILY CARE WITHOUT AN
APPROPRIATION AND WITHOUT THE APPROPRIATION AND WITHOUT THE
LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO DO IT. LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO DO IT.
SO I AM ON THE JOINT COMMITTEE SO I AM ON THE JOINT COMMITTEE
ON ADMINISTRATIVE RULES THAT ON ADMINISTRATIVE RULES THAT
OVERSEES THE RULE MAKING TO MAKE OVERSEES THE RULE MAKING TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE RULES PROPOUNDED SURE THAT THE RULES PROPOUNDED
BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH COMEPORT BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH COMEPORT
WITH THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY WITH THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY
CONTAINED IN THE LAW. CONTAINED IN THE LAW.
SO WE HAVE HAD VERY UNHAPPY SO WE HAVE HAD VERY UNHAPPY
TIMES WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION. TIMES WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION.
TYPICALLY, J.C.A.R., AS IT IS TYPICALLY, J.C.A.R., AS IT IS
KNOWN, THIS COMMITTEE, IS VERY KNOWN, THIS COMMITTEE, IS VERY
QUIET, ALMOST BORING COMMITTEE! QUIET, ALMOST BORING COMMITTEE!
BUT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THERE BUT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THERE
HAVE BEEN REAL FIRE WORK THERE HAVE BEEN REAL FIRE WORK THERE
AS THE ADMINISTRATION EVERY AS THE ADMINISTRATION EVERY
SINGLE MEETING HAS REFUSED TO SINGLE MEETING HAS REFUSED TO
EITHER DO RULES OR INCOMPLETE EITHER DO RULES OR INCOMPLETE
RULES OR IT HAS JUST BEEN A RULES OR IT HAS JUST BEEN A
MESS. MESS.
SO THE REAL POINT DEVELOPED WHEN SO THE REAL POINT DEVELOPED WHEN
THE GOVERNOR EXPANDED HEALTH THE GOVERNOR EXPANDED HEALTH
CARE WITHOUT ANY RULE MAKING OR CARE WITHOUT ANY RULE MAKING OR
APPROPRIATION TO PAY FOR IT. APPROPRIATION TO PAY FOR IT.
SO THAT RESULTED THEN IN THE SO THAT RESULTED THEN IN THE
SPEAKER DECIDING HE WAS GOING TO SPEAKER DECIDING HE WAS GOING TO
INTRODUCE THIS VERY SPECIAL INTRODUCE THIS VERY SPECIAL
AMENDMENT PROCESS INTO THE AMENDMENT PROCESS INTO THE
HOUSE. HOUSE.
SO WE WOULD PUT THE AMENDMENT ON SO WE WOULD PUT THE AMENDMENT ON
IN THE HOUSE IN ORDER TO GET THE IN THE HOUSE IN ORDER TO GET THE
BILL PASSED. BILL PASSED.
AS SOON AS THAT WOULD GO TO THE AS SOON AS THAT WOULD GO TO THE
SENATE, THE GOVERNOR’S ALLY EMIL SENATE, THE GOVERNOR’S ALLY EMIL
JONES WOULD SAY THAT IS NOT JONES WOULD SAY THAT IS NOT
ACCEPTABLE. ACCEPTABLE.
SO IT CREATED THIS MESS. SO IT CREATED THIS MESS.
>>TOWARDS THE END, I WILL SAY>>TOWARDS THE END, I WILL SAY
THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN
THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.
THEY DID A MODIFIED RULE AND THEY DID A MODIFIED RULE AND
THERE WERE BILLS THAT CAME OUT THERE WERE BILLS THAT CAME OUT
OF THE SENATE WITH THAT MODIFIED OF THE SENATE WITH THAT MODIFIED
RULE. RULE.
THAT, AT LEAST, WAS A START TO THAT, AT LEAST, WAS A START TO
BREAK AN IMPASSE. BREAK AN IMPASSE.
BUT RIGHT NOW THE PROBLEM IS WE BUT RIGHT NOW THE PROBLEM IS WE
ARE SO FOCUSED ON THE ARE SO FOCUSED ON THE
IMPEACHMENT PROCESS THAT ISSUES IMPEACHMENT PROCESS THAT ISSUES
LIKE OUR SEVERE FINANCIAL LIKE OUR SEVERE FINANCIAL
PROBLEMS ARE VIRTUALLY GOING, PROBLEMS ARE VIRTUALLY GOING,
YOU KNOW, UNTOUCHED. YOU KNOW, UNTOUCHED.
>>LET’S TALK ABOUT FINANCES IN A>>LET’S TALK ABOUT FINANCES IN A
MINUTE. MINUTE.
WITH THE NEW SENATE PRESIDENT WITH THE NEW SENATE PRESIDENT
BEING JOHN CULLERTON, WILL THAT BEING JOHN CULLERTON, WILL THAT
HELP THE SITUATION? HELP THE SITUATION?
>>IT WILL HELP THE SITUATION>>IT WILL HELP THE SITUATION
FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT JOHN FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT JOHN
CULLERTON HAS A BETTER CULLERTON HAS A BETTER
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPEAKER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPEAKER
MADIGAN. SO THERE WILL BE MADIGAN. SO THERE WILL BE
BETTER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BETTER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE
HOUSE AND THE SENATE. HOUSE AND THE SENATE.
I THINK THERE WILL BE A BETTER I THINK THERE WILL BE A BETTER
ATMOSPHERE WITHIN THE SENATE OF ATMOSPHERE WITHIN THE SENATE OF
DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS WORKING DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS WORKING
TOGETHER. TOGETHER.
SO, YEAH, I THINK IT WILL BE SO, YEAH, I THINK IT WILL BE
BETTER. BETTER.
YOU HAVE A NEW MINORITY LEADER YOU HAVE A NEW MINORITY LEADER
IN THE SENATE AS WELL. IN THE SENATE AS WELL.
YOU HAVE CHRISTINE RADOGNO AND YOU HAVE CHRISTINE RADOGNO AND
JOHN CULLERTON. JOHN CULLERTON.
IT IS KIND OF UNUSUAL TO HAVE IT IS KIND OF UNUSUAL TO HAVE
TWO NEW LEADERS WITHIN THE SAME TWO NEW LEADERS WITHIN THE SAME
TIME FRAME. TIME FRAME.
>>WHAT ARE SOME BILLS, EXAMPLES>>WHAT ARE SOME BILLS, EXAMPLES
OF BILLS THAT AFFECT CENTRAL OF BILLS THAT AFFECT CENTRAL
ILLINOIS SPECIFICALLY THAT HAVE ILLINOIS SPECIFICALLY THAT HAVE
BEEN CAUGHT IN SPRINGFIELD? BEEN CAUGHT IN SPRINGFIELD?
>>WELL, ONE DAVID SPONSORED IN>>WELL, ONE DAVID SPONSORED IN
THE SENATE, AND I PICKED UP IN THE SENATE, AND I PICKED UP IN
THE HOUSE WOULD ENABLE THE HOUSE WOULD ENABLE
PEORIAIANS TO USE THE PUBLIC PEORIAIANS TO USE THE PUBLIC
BUILDING COMMISSION TO MATCH FOR BUILDING COMMISSION TO MATCH FOR
ANY STATE SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION ANY STATE SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION
MONEY RATHER THAN HAVE PEORIA MONEY RATHER THAN HAVE PEORIA
TAXPAYERS PICK UP THE WHOLE TAB TAXPAYERS PICK UP THE WHOLE TAB
FOR AN $84 MILLION PROJECT. FOR AN $84 MILLION PROJECT.
WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO GET WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO GET
SOME STATE HELP WITH THAT. SOME STATE HELP WITH THAT.
THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF A BILL THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF A BILL
THAT IS — THAT IS CAUGHT UP THAT IS — THAT IS CAUGHT UP
NOW, AND WE ARE GOING TO HOPE IN NOW, AND WE ARE GOING TO HOPE IN
THE LAST HOURS TO RESCUE IT. THE LAST HOURS TO RESCUE IT.
BUT THAT WAS A VERY CRITICAL BUT THAT WAS A VERY CRITICAL
BILL OF GREAT IMPORTANCE TO THE BILL OF GREAT IMPORTANCE TO THE
COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY.
>>WE HAVE ENTERPRISE ZONE?>>WE HAVE ENTERPRISE ZONE?
>>WE HAVE ENTERPRISE ZONE BILL>>WE HAVE ENTERPRISE ZONE BILL
IN THE KIWANE KNEE TO CONNECT IN IN THE KIWANE KNEE TO CONNECT IN
GALVA IT IS HUNG UP. GALVA IT IS HUNG UP.
GOVERNOR NEEDS TO SIGN IT IS GOVERNOR NEEDS TO SIGN IT IS
WHERE IT IS AT RIGHT NOW. WHERE IT IS AT RIGHT NOW.
WITH THE CHAOS GOING ON AND THE WITH THE CHAOS GOING ON AND THE
CHI CHI OF STAFF RESIGNING, IN CHI CHI OF STAFF RESIGNING, IN
THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE, IT IS THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE, IT IS
HARD TO GET ANYTHING OUT OF HARD TO GET ANYTHING OUT OF
THERE. THERE.
>>IS THERE ANY HOPE OF A CAPITAL>>IS THERE ANY HOPE OF A CAPITAL
BILL IN SPRINGFIELD? BILL IN SPRINGFIELD?
>>NOT RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET>>NOT RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET
THIS IMMEDIATE SITUATION OVER THIS IMMEDIATE SITUATION OVER
BECAUSE I THINK WHAT — I AM BECAUSE I THINK WHAT — I AM
OPTIMISTIC AT SOME POINT WE WILL OPTIMISTIC AT SOME POINT WE WILL
PASS A CAPITAL BILL THIS SPRING PASS A CAPITAL BILL THIS SPRING
WITH THE STIMULUS PACKAGE COMING WITH THE STIMULUS PACKAGE COMING
OUT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, OUT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT,
IT WILL REALLY FORCE US IF WE IT WILL REALLY FORCE US IF WE
WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS WHOLE WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS WHOLE
PLAN TO HAVE A CAPITAL BILL PLAN TO HAVE A CAPITAL BILL
WITHIN THE STATE. WITHIN THE STATE.
BECAUSE IT WILL BE MATCHING? BECAUSE IT WILL BE MATCHING?
>>YES.>>YES.
YES. YES.
I AM HOPEFUL, TOO, THAT WILL I AM HOPEFUL, TOO, THAT WILL
HAPPEN. HAPPEN.
I THINK WE WILL HAVE BETTER I THINK WE WILL HAVE BETTER
COMMUNICATION. COMMUNICATION.
I AM VERY CAUTIOUS THOUGH RIGHT I AM VERY CAUTIOUS THOUGH RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE WE DID A LOT OF WORK NOW BECAUSE WE DID A LOT OF WORK
BEFORE, AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH BEFORE, AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH
WAS THE REVENUE TO FUND IT WAS THE REVENUE TO FUND IT
WAS — YOU KNOW, THEY WERE WAS — YOU KNOW, THEY WERE
LOOKING AT THE LEASING OF THE LOOKING AT THE LEASING OF THE
LOTTERY AND EXPANDING GAMING. LOTTERY AND EXPANDING GAMING.
THE LOTTERY IS BASICALLY OUT THE LOTTERY IS BASICALLY OUT
NOW. NOW.
WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT A WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT A
DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCE. DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCE.
EVERYBODY WILL BE FOR THE EVERYBODY WILL BE FOR THE
CAPITAL PROGRAM, THE PROJECTS CAPITAL PROGRAM, THE PROJECTS
THEMSELVES. THEMSELVES.
BUT FINDING THE REVENUE AND BUT FINDING THE REVENUE AND
VOTING FOR THE INCREASE IN VOTING FOR THE INCREASE IN
REVENUES, THAT’S WHERE THE REAL REVENUES, THAT’S WHERE THE REAL
PROBLEM COMES. PROBLEM COMES.
CAN WE AGREE ON IS IT GOING TO CAN WE AGREE ON IS IT GOING TO
BE SOME KIND OF TAX ON GASOLINE? BE SOME KIND OF TAX ON GASOLINE?
IS IT GOING TO BE AN INCOME TAX IS IT GOING TO BE AN INCOME TAX
INCREASE, OR JUST WHAT IT IS INCREASE, OR JUST WHAT IT IS
GOING TO BE. GOING TO BE.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE
DISCARDED WHEN WE WERE LOOKING DISCARDED WHEN WE WERE LOOKING
BEFORE IN FAVOR OF GAMING AND BEFORE IN FAVOR OF GAMING AND
THE LOTTERY WHICH, TO MANY OF THE LOTTERY WHICH, TO MANY OF
US, WAS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO US, WAS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO
TO FUNDING TO BEGIN WITH, BUT IT TO FUNDING TO BEGIN WITH, BUT IT
WAS THE ONLY THING ON TABLE WAS THE ONLY THING ON TABLE
PEOPLE COULD AGREE WITH. PEOPLE COULD AGREE WITH.
IT WILL BE HARD TO FIND WHAT IT WILL BE HARD TO FIND WHAT
THAT MECHANISM IS AND WHAT THAT THAT MECHANISM IS AND WHAT THAT
REVENUE WILL BE. REVENUE WILL BE.
THE KEY THERE IS THAT WE HAVE THE KEY THERE IS THAT WE HAVE
GOT LOOT MORE THINGS OT TABLE GOT LOOT MORE THINGS OT TABLE
NOW. NOW.
PRESUMING WE GET BY OUR CURRENT PRESUMING WE GET BY OUR CURRENT
CRISIS WITH THE GOVERNOR AND WE, CRISIS WITH THE GOVERNOR AND WE,
YOU KNOW, SEE A NEW GOVERNOR. YOU KNOW, SEE A NEW GOVERNOR.
PAT QUINN BECOMES GOVERNOR, ALL PAT QUINN BECOMES GOVERNOR, ALL
THE O OPTIONS THAT WERE NOT ON THE O OPTIONS THAT WERE NOT ON
THE TABLE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THE TABLE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS
COULD BE ON THE TABLE AGAIN. COULD BE ON THE TABLE AGAIN.
>>BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY ROD>>BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY ROD
BLAGOJEVICH SAID NO TAX BLAGOJEVICH SAID NO TAX
INCREASES. INCREASES.
>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.
IT WAS REAL HARD TO TRY TO COME IT WAS REAL HARD TO TRY TO COME
UP WITH MONEY TO PAY FOR BILLION UP WITH MONEY TO PAY FOR BILLION
DOLLARS — $35 BILLION CAPITAL, DOLLARS — $35 BILLION CAPITAL,
WHERE WERE THE REVENUE SOURCES? WHERE WERE THE REVENUE SOURCES?
>>THE SITUATION IN SPRINGFIELD>>THE SITUATION IN SPRINGFIELD
FROZEN FOR THE TIME BEING, WHAT FROZEN FOR THE TIME BEING, WHAT
HAPPENS TO THE BACKLOG OF BILLS HAPPENS TO THE BACKLOG OF BILLS
DAN HYNES HAS BEEN TALKING DAN HYNES HAS BEEN TALKING
ABOUT? ABOUT?
>>I WOULDN’T SAY FROZEN, I>>I WOULDN’T SAY FROZEN, I
WOULD SAY TOTALLY DYSFUNCTION WOULD SAY TOTALLY DYSFUNCTION
DYSFUNCTIONNAL. DYSFUNCTIONNAL.
STATE GOVERNMENT IS NOT STATE GOVERNMENT IS NOT
FUNCTIONING. FUNCTIONING.
WHETHER IT IS THE AGENCY OR WHETHER IT IS THE AGENCY OR
WHETHER IT IS PAYING THE BILLS. WHETHER IT IS PAYING THE BILLS.
RIGHT NOW PROVIDERS, HOSPITALS, RIGHT NOW PROVIDERS, HOSPITALS,
PHARMACISTS, NURSING HOMES, PHARMACISTS, NURSING HOMES,
DOCTORS, YOU NAME IT, AND OTHER DOCTORS, YOU NAME IT, AND OTHER
CONTRACTORS AS WELL WITH THE CONTRACTORS AS WELL WITH THE
STATE ARE OWED AT LEAST STATE ARE OWED AT LEAST
$3 BILLION. $3 BILLION.
WE HAVE HAD A STRUCTURAL DEFICIT WE HAVE HAD A STRUCTURAL DEFICIT
OF 3 BILLION FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF 3 BILLION FOR THE LAST NUMBER
OF YEARS THAT JUST KEEPS OF YEARS THAT JUST KEEPS
CONTINUING TO ACCUMULATE IN ITS CONTINUING TO ACCUMULATE IN ITS
SIZE AND IN ITS SCOPE. SIZE AND IN ITS SCOPE.
I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT AS WE I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT AS WE
START THIS BUDGET YEAR, THAT START THIS BUDGET YEAR, THAT
DEFICIT WILL BE ON THE ORDER OF DEFICIT WILL BE ON THE ORDER OF
FIVE BILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE THE FIVE BILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE THE
REVENUES ARE GOING DOWN, AND THE REVENUES ARE GOING DOWN, AND THE
ONE TIME GIMMICKS USED TO KEEP ONE TIME GIMMICKS USED TO KEEP
SPENDING MONEY WE DON’T HAVE SPENDING MONEY WE DON’T HAVE
CONTINUE TO CREATE THIS CONTINUE TO CREATE THIS
SNOWBALL. SNOWBALL.
SO THIS IS EXTRAORDINARILY SO THIS IS EXTRAORDINARILY
SERIOUS AND DIFFICULT PROBLEM SERIOUS AND DIFFICULT PROBLEM
THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF
ALL THIS ATTENTION BEING PAID ALL THIS ATTENTION BEING PAID
AND THIS DIVERSION WITH THE AND THIS DIVERSION WITH THE
GOVERNOR, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE GOVERNOR, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE
TO COME TOGETHER IN A BIPARTISAN TO COME TOGETHER IN A BIPARTISAN
BASIS AND ADDRESS THIS VERY BASIS AND ADDRESS THIS VERY
SERIOUS FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM. SERIOUS FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM.
>>THIS IS WHY THE CAPITAL BILL>>THIS IS WHY THE CAPITAL BILL
IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS
WHAT PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA HAS WHAT PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA HAS
TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE
STIM STIMULUS PACKAGE F WE CAN STIM STIMULUS PACKAGE F WE CAN
BEGIN TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY BEGIN TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY
BY LOOKING AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE BY LOOKING AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE
IMPROVEMENTS, ROADS, BRIDGES, IMPROVEMENTS, ROADS, BRIDGES,
HIGHWAYS, THEN WE CAN HOPEFULLY HIGHWAYS, THEN WE CAN HOPEFULLY
SEE SOME OF OUR TAX REVENUES SEE SOME OF OUR TAX REVENUES
COMING UP. COMING UP.
IF WE DON’T DO THAT, THEN WE IF WE DON’T DO THAT, THEN WE
KNOW WE ARE IN A DOWNHILL SLIDE. KNOW WE ARE IN A DOWNHILL SLIDE.
WE HAVE TO GET THIS ECONOMY JUMP WE HAVE TO GET THIS ECONOMY JUMP
STARTED IF WE HAVE ANY HOPE OF STARTED IF WE HAVE ANY HOPE OF
FUNDING ANYTHING AT THE STATE FUNDING ANYTHING AT THE STATE
LEVEL AND GOES RIGHT ON DOWN THE LEVEL AND GOES RIGHT ON DOWN THE
ROAD, TO COUNTIES TO LOCAL ROAD, TO COUNTIES TO LOCAL
MUNICIPALITIES AND EVERYBODY MUNICIPALITIES AND EVERYBODY
ELSE. ELSE.
>>DO YOU FEAR DAVE LEITCH’S>>DO YOU FEAR DAVE LEITCH’S
ASSESSMENT, THIS IS ASSESSMENT, THIS IS
DYSFUNCTIONNAL STATE GOVERNMENT? DYSFUNCTIONNAL STATE GOVERNMENT?
THAT’S NOTES POSITIVE AT ALL. THAT’S NOTES POSITIVE AT ALL.
I DO AGREE. I DO AGREE.
IT WAS THAT WAY EVEN BEFORE THE IT WAS THAT WAY EVEN BEFORE THE
REST OF THE BLAGOJEVICH. REST OF THE BLAGOJEVICH.
WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT
DIDN’T PROCEED BECAUSE WE DIDN’T DIDN’T PROCEED BECAUSE WE DIDN’T
HAVE A GOVERNOR THAT WAS ENGAGED HAVE A GOVERNOR THAT WAS ENGAGED
WITH US. WITH US.
FROM THE GET-GO, FROM THE SIX FROM THE GET-GO, FROM THE SIX
YEARS HE HAS BEEN GOVERNOR, HAS YEARS HE HAS BEEN GOVERNOR, HAS
NOT BEEN ON THE FLOOR OF THE NOT BEEN ON THE FLOOR OF THE
SENATE LOBBYING FOR BILLS OR SENATE LOBBYING FOR BILLS OR
TALKING TO LEGISLATORS ABOUT HOW TALKING TO LEGISLATORS ABOUT HOW
THINGS OUGHT TO GO, HOW THEY THINGS OUGHT TO GO, HOW THEY
OUGHT TO WORK, AND NOW IT IS OUGHT TO WORK, AND NOW IT IS
REALLY COME TO AHEAD WITH THE REALLY COME TO AHEAD WITH THE
IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEES BEING IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEES BEING
FORMED AND LOOKING AT FORMED AND LOOKING AT
IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT.
SO YOU ARE SEEING THE GOVERNOR’S SO YOU ARE SEEING THE GOVERNOR’S
STAFF, THOSE THAT ARE LEFT VERY STAFF, THOSE THAT ARE LEFT VERY
NERVOUS, VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT NERVOUS, VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT
ANYTHING THEY DO. ANYTHING THEY DO.
SO, YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT SO, YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT
ASSESSMENT. ASSESSMENT.
>>ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THIS>>ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THIS
GOVERNOR TOTALLY CENTRALIZED GOVERNOR TOTALLY CENTRALIZED
WHAT THE AGENCIES DID. WHAT THE AGENCIES DID.
HE CONCENTRATED ALL THE POWER HE CONCENTRATED ALL THE POWER
THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE
ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE MAJOR ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE MAJOR
AGENCIES IN HIS OWN OFFICE. AGENCIES IN HIS OWN OFFICE.
SO EVEN THE HEADS OF THESE SO EVEN THE HEADS OF THESE
IMPORTANT DEPARTMENTS AND IMPORTANT DEPARTMENTS AND
AGENCIES COULDN’T MAKE ANY AGENCIES COULDN’T MAKE ANY
IMPORTANT DECISIONS. IMPORTANT DECISIONS.
THEY COULDN’T EVEN PASS RULES THEY COULDN’T EVEN PASS RULES
ONTO J.C.A.R. IN THE PROCESS ONTO J.C.A.R. IN THE PROCESS
UNTIL THEY HAD BEEN REVIEWED IN UNTIL THEY HAD BEEN REVIEWED IN
THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE. THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE.
SO WITH THAT CONCENTRATION OF SO WITH THAT CONCENTRATION OF
POWER, SINCE NOW THE GOVERNOR IS POWER, SINCE NOW THE GOVERNOR IS
OUT OF COMMISSION, EVERYTHING OUT OF COMMISSION, EVERYTHING
JUST FALLS APART AND IT HAS BEEN JUST FALLS APART AND IT HAS BEEN
THAT WAY, BUT NOW IT IS AT AN THAT WAY, BUT NOW IT IS AT AN
EMERGENCY POINT BECAUSE EVEN THE EMERGENCY POINT BECAUSE EVEN THE
MOST BASIC THINGS ARE NOT MOST BASIC THINGS ARE NOT
FUNCTIONING IN THE AGENCIES, AND FUNCTIONING IN THE AGENCIES, AND
IT IS A DIRE SITUATION. IT IS A DIRE SITUATION.
SOONER THE GOVERNOR IS GONE, AND SOONER THE GOVERNOR IS GONE, AND
WE CAN CLEAN THIS MESS UP THE WE CAN CLEAN THIS MESS UP THE
BETTER. BETTER.
>>ANY IDEA AT ALL AS TO WHEN>>ANY IDEA AT ALL AS TO WHEN
THIS MIGHT BE RESOLVED? THIS MIGHT BE RESOLVED?
I TAKE IT FROM LISTENING TO YOU, I TAKE IT FROM LISTENING TO YOU,
THAT RESOLUTION IS REMOVAL OF THAT RESOLUTION IS REMOVAL OF
ROD BLAGOJEVICH FROM OFFICE? ROD BLAGOJEVICH FROM OFFICE?
>>ABSOLUTELY.>>ABSOLUTELY.
>>IS THERE ANY ESTIMATE — I>>IS THERE ANY ESTIMATE — I
MEAN WE CAN’T APPOINT U.S. MEAN WE CAN’T APPOINT U.S.
SENATOR. SENATOR.
WE CAN’T GET BILLS PAID. WE CAN’T GET BILLS PAID.
>>I THINK IT WILL TAKE SEVERAL>>I THINK IT WILL TAKE SEVERAL
MONTHS. MONTHS.
IT WILL BE THE FRONT BURNER IT WILL BE THE FRONT BURNER
ISSUE OF THE LEGISLATURE AS WE ISSUE OF THE LEGISLATURE AS WE
GET BACK AND BEGIN A NEW GENERAL GET BACK AND BEGIN A NEW GENERAL
ASSEMBLY IN JANUARY. ASSEMBLY IN JANUARY.
BUT I THINK IT WILL TAKE A BUT I THINK IT WILL TAKE A
LITTLE LONGER THAN PEOPLE HAD LITTLE LONGER THAN PEOPLE HAD
HOPED BECAUSE AS WAS MENTIONED HOPED BECAUSE AS WAS MENTIONED
BEFORE, THIS IS PRECEDENT BEFORE, THIS IS PRECEDENT
SETTING BECAUSE THERE IS NO SETTING BECAUSE THERE IS NO
OTHER LIKE SITUATION THAT WE OTHER LIKE SITUATION THAT WE
HAVE TO GO ON. HAVE TO GO ON.
SO WHATEVER WE DO IN THIS COMING SO WHATEVER WE DO IN THIS COMING
SPRING, IS GOING TO BE THE RULES SPRING, IS GOING TO BE THE RULES
BY WHICH FUTURE POLITICIANS WILL BY WHICH FUTURE POLITICIANS WILL
BE DEALT WITH. BE DEALT WITH.
SO EVERYBODY IS BEING VERY SO EVERYBODY IS BEING VERY
CAREFUL WE DO IT RIGHT. CAREFUL WE DO IT RIGHT.
>>AND THE SAD PART OF ALL THIS>>AND THE SAD PART OF ALL THIS
IS WE GET CALLS DAILY ABOUT IS WE GET CALLS DAILY ABOUT
PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING FOR
PHARMACIES, HEALTH CARE, PHARMACIES, HEALTH CARE,
WHATEVER, NOT GETTING PAID BY WHATEVER, NOT GETTING PAID BY
THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, AND WHILE THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, AND WHILE
IMPEACHMENT, THE GOVERNOR, IMPEACHMENT, THE GOVERNOR,
EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT. EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT.
IF YOUR JOB IS ON THE LINE, IF IF YOUR JOB IS ON THE LINE, IF
YOUR LIFELY HOOD IS ON THE LINE YOUR LIFELY HOOD IS ON THE LINE
BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT RECEIVING BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT RECEIVING
MONIES FOR A JOB YOU HAVE MONIES FOR A JOB YOU HAVE
ALREADY DONE, THAT’S THE MOST ALREADY DONE, THAT’S THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING TO YOU. IMPORTANT THING TO YOU.
AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS
THAT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE TO DEAL THAT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE TO DEAL
WITH THIS OTHER ISSUE. WITH THIS OTHER ISSUE.
>>FORTUNATELY THE SHORT TERM>>FORTUNATELY THE SHORT TERM
BONDING WILL TAKE PLACE BECAUSE BONDING WILL TAKE PLACE BECAUSE
LISA MADIGAN DID CERTIFY TO THE LISA MADIGAN DID CERTIFY TO THE
BOND HOUSES THAT TO THEIR BOND HOUSES THAT TO THEIR
SATISFACTION THAT THIS IS OKAY SATISFACTION THAT THIS IS OKAY
TO GO AHEAD AND DO. TO GO AHEAD AND DO.
THAT WAS A CRISIS POINT JUST THAT WAS A CRISIS POINT JUST
LAST WEEK BECAUSE IF WE COULDN’T LAST WEEK BECAUSE IF WE COULDN’T
FLOAT SHORT TERM BONDS TO PAY FLOAT SHORT TERM BONDS TO PAY
SOME OF THE MOST IMMEDIATE SOME OF THE MOST IMMEDIATE
BILLS, THEN WE WERE REALLY THIS BILLS, THEN WE WERE REALLY THIS
TROUBLE. TROUBLE.
BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL CRISIS, BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL CRISIS,
OUR BOND RATING WAS BEING OUR BOND RATING WAS BEING
CHALLENGED. CHALLENGED.
>>YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN DOWN TO>>YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN DOWN TO
JUNK BOND STATUS EVENTUALLY. JUNK BOND STATUS EVENTUALLY.
>>COULD HAVE BEEN.>>COULD HAVE BEEN.
>>LET’S TALK ABOUT PAT QUINN.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT PAT QUINN.
ASSUMING THAT MR. BLAGOJEVICH IS ASSUMING THAT MR. BLAGOJEVICH IS
REMOVED FROM OFFICE, PAT QUINN REMOVED FROM OFFICE, PAT QUINN
WOULD MOVE INTO THE GOVERNOR’S WOULD MOVE INTO THE GOVERNOR’S
POSITION. POSITION.
HOW WILL SPRINGFIELD OPERATIONS HOW WILL SPRINGFIELD OPERATIONS
CHANGE BECAUSE OF THAT? CHANGE BECAUSE OF THAT?
>>FIRST OF ALL, THERE WILL BE>>FIRST OF ALL, THERE WILL BE
SOME RELIEF OF THE FACT THAT THE SOME RELIEF OF THE FACT THAT THE
TRUST FACTOR IS A BIG DEAL WITH TRUST FACTOR IS A BIG DEAL WITH
THE GOVERNOR BLAGOJEVICH RIGHT THE GOVERNOR BLAGOJEVICH RIGHT
NOW. NOW.
HE IS NOT TRUSTED BY ANYBODY TO HE IS NOT TRUSTED BY ANYBODY TO
FOLLOW UP ON WHAT HE SAYS. FOLLOW UP ON WHAT HE SAYS.
THAT WILL CHANGE WITH PAT QUINN. THAT WILL CHANGE WITH PAT QUINN.
MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW ON HOW MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW ON HOW
WE LOOK AT THINGS, BUT I THINK WE LOOK AT THINGS, BUT I THINK
THERE IS A LOT MORE TRUST WITH THERE IS A LOT MORE TRUST WITH
THE GOVERNOR THAN THAT. THE GOVERNOR THAN THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, YOU GOT TO THAT BEING SAID, YOU GOT TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THE DIRECTORS UNDERSTAND THAT THE DIRECTORS
AND EVERYTHING WAS PUT IN BY AND EVERYTHING WAS PUT IN BY
BLAGOJEVICH. BLAGOJEVICH.
THESE ARE BLAGOJEVICH’S PEOPLE. THESE ARE BLAGOJEVICH’S PEOPLE.
PAT QUINN HASN’T BEEN A PART OF PAT QUINN HASN’T BEEN A PART OF
THAT ADMINISTRATION, THAT MUCH. THAT ADMINISTRATION, THAT MUCH.
HE HAS BEEN ON THE OUTSIDE. HE HAS BEEN ON THE OUTSIDE.
SO THINGS AREN’T GOING TO CHANGE SO THINGS AREN’T GOING TO CHANGE
DRASTICALLY RIGHT AWAY. DRASTICALLY RIGHT AWAY.
IT TAKES AWHILE FOR THAT TO IT TAKES AWHILE FOR THAT TO
HAPPEN. HAPPEN.
>>PAT QUINN IS A VERY PERSONAL>>PAT QUINN IS A VERY PERSONAL
MAN. MAN.
HE IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, AND HE IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, AND
I THINK HE WILL BE A BREATH OF I THINK HE WILL BE A BREATH OF
FRESH AIR. HE ALREADY INDICATED FRESH AIR. HE ALREADY INDICATED
HE WOULD REVIEW ALL THE RECENT HE WOULD REVIEW ALL THE RECENT
DECISIONS TO CLOSING THE PARKS, DECISIONS TO CLOSING THE PARKS,
HISTORICAL SITES, EVEN RELOOKING HISTORICAL SITES, EVEN RELOOKING
AT THE PONTIAC PRISON ISSUE. AT THE PONTIAC PRISON ISSUE.
HE IS GOING TO COME IN WITH VERY HE IS GOING TO COME IN WITH VERY
FRESH IDEAS AND WITH THE WHOLE FRESH IDEAS AND WITH THE WHOLE
NEW APPROACH. NEW APPROACH.
>>BUT HE IS A DEMOCRAT IN NAME,>>BUT HE IS A DEMOCRAT IN NAME,
BUT HE DOESN’T NECESSARILY FIT BUT HE DOESN’T NECESSARILY FIT
IN WITH A LOT OF DEMOCRATS. IN WITH A LOT OF DEMOCRATS.
>>HE IS VERY INDEPENDENT MINDED.>>HE IS VERY INDEPENDENT MINDED.
HE WAS THE CUT BACK AMENDMENT HE WAS THE CUT BACK AMENDMENT
WHICH REDUCED THE HOUSE BY A WHICH REDUCED THE HOUSE BY A
THIRD BACK IN THE LATE 70’S, AND THIRD BACK IN THE LATE 70’S, AND
IMPLEMENTED IN EARLY 80’S. IMPLEMENTED IN EARLY 80’S.
HE WAS A FOUNDER OF THE CITIZENS HE WAS A FOUNDER OF THE CITIZENS
UTILITY BOARD. UTILITY BOARD.
SO HE IS VERY MUCH ACTIVIST, SO HE IS VERY MUCH ACTIVIST,
INDEPENDENT MINDED PERSON. INDEPENDENT MINDED PERSON.
I AGREE WITH DAVID, HE IS A VERY I AGREE WITH DAVID, HE IS A VERY
FRIENDLY PERSON. FRIENDLY PERSON.
HE IS A VERY AGREEABLE PERSON, HE IS A VERY AGREEABLE PERSON,
BUT I AM AMUSED TO THINK OF HIM BUT I AM AMUSED TO THINK OF HIM
WORKING WITH THE CHICAGO MACHINE WORKING WITH THE CHICAGO MACHINE
WILL BE AN INTERESTING DIMENSION WILL BE AN INTERESTING DIMENSION
(LAUGHING). (LAUGHING).
>>CHALLENGES WITH EVERYBODY>>CHALLENGES WITH EVERYBODY
ACROSS THE BOARD, LET’S PUT IT ACROSS THE BOARD, LET’S PUT IT
THAT WAY. THAT WAY.
PAT, I DON’T THINK WITH PAT YOU PAT, I DON’T THINK WITH PAT YOU
CAN EVER DOUBT HE IS SINCERE AND CAN EVER DOUBT HE IS SINCERE AND
HONEST IN HIS APPROACH, AND I HONEST IN HIS APPROACH, AND I
THINK THAT’S WHAT IS NEEDED. THINK THAT’S WHAT IS NEEDED.
>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT.
>>WHAT DO YOU SEE FOR THE SPRING>>WHAT DO YOU SEE FOR THE SPRING
LEGISLATIVE SESSION FOR CENTRAL LEGISLATIVE SESSION FOR CENTRAL
ILLINOIS? ILLINOIS?
>>WHAT DO I SEE?>>WHAT DO I SEE?
>>OR AT LEAST HOPE FOR!>>OR AT LEAST HOPE FOR!
(LAUGHING). (LAUGHING).
>>I CERTAINLY HOPE WE CAN GET A>>I CERTAINLY HOPE WE CAN GET A
CAPITAL BILL. CAPITAL BILL.
YOU THINK CAPITAL IS VERY YOU THINK CAPITAL IS VERY
IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW. IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW.
YOU ARE HEARING ON THE NATIONAL YOU ARE HEARING ON THE NATIONAL
SCENE, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR SCENE, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR
US TO MOVE FORWARD TO PUT PEOPLE US TO MOVE FORWARD TO PUT PEOPLE
BACK TO WORK. BACK TO WORK.
I THINK JOBS ARE VERY IMPORTANT I THINK JOBS ARE VERY IMPORTANT
RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW.
YOU JUST RECENTLY HAVE HEARD YOU JUST RECENTLY HAVE HEARD
WHERE CATERPILLAR IS SHUTTING WHERE CATERPILLAR IS SHUTTING
DOWN SOME LINES TO GET DOWN SOME LINES TO GET
PRODUCTION IN LINE. PRODUCTION IN LINE.
BUT CATERPILLAR IS VERY CAUTIOUS BUT CATERPILLAR IS VERY CAUTIOUS
IN THEIR APPROACH RIGHT NOW IN THEIR APPROACH RIGHT NOW
BECAUSE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN BECAUSE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN
OTHER ASPECTS. OTHER ASPECTS.
WE NEED TO GET THIS STATE WE NEED TO GET THIS STATE
WORKING AGAIN, AND WE CAN DO WORKING AGAIN, AND WE CAN DO
THAT BY-PASSING A CAPITAL THAT BY-PASSING A CAPITAL
PROGRAM. PROGRAM.
WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE. WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE.
>>CAPITAL BILL MOST IMPORTANT,>>CAPITAL BILL MOST IMPORTANT,
AGREED? AGREED?
OKAY. OKAY.
WITH THAT, WE ARE — WITH THAT, WE ARE —
>>WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO GET>>WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO GET
THIS BUDGET THAT WAS PASSED THIS THIS BUDGET THAT WAS PASSED THIS
YEAR WAS 2 AND A HALF BILLION YEAR WAS 2 AND A HALF BILLION
DOLLARS OUT OF BALANCE. DOLLARS OUT OF BALANCE.
>>SHORT FUNDS.>>SHORT FUNDS.
>>JUST THE OPERATING BUDGET.>>JUST THE OPERATING BUDGET.
SO WE HAVE GOT TO GET THE SO WE HAVE GOT TO GET THE
FINANCIAL POSITION AND SITUATION FINANCIAL POSITION AND SITUATION
OF THE STATE UNDER CONTROL. OF THE STATE UNDER CONTROL.
>>CAPITAL BILL WORKS WITH THAT.>>CAPITAL BILL WORKS WITH THAT.
THE BUDGET CRISIS THAT WE HAVE THE BUDGET CRISIS THAT WE HAVE
IN GETTING PEOPLE BACK TO WORK, IN GETTING PEOPLE BACK TO WORK,
THOSE ARE JUST DIFFERENT SIDES THOSE ARE JUST DIFFERENT SIDES
OF THE SAME ISSUE. OF THE SAME ISSUE.
>>I AM OUT OF TIME.>>I AM OUT OF TIME.
THE DIRECTOR SAYS WE ARE OUT OF THE DIRECTOR SAYS WE ARE OUT OF
TOWN. TOWN.
DAVE KOEHLER, THANK YOU FOR DAVE KOEHLER, THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE. BEING HERE.
REPRESENTATIVE DAVE LEITCH, AND REPRESENTATIVE DAVE LEITCH, AND
SENATOR DALE RISINGER. SENATOR DALE RISINGER.
THANK YOU FOR BEING ON AT ISSUE. THANK YOU FOR BEING ON AT ISSUE.
WE WILL BE TAKING A COUPLE WEEKS WE WILL BE TAKING A COUPLE WEEKS
OFF FOR THS CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS OFF FOR THS CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS
~L WE WILL BE BACK IN JANUARY ~L WE WILL BE BACK IN JANUARY
WITH A LOOK AT THE ECONOMY WITH WITH A LOOK AT THE ECONOMY WITH
THE WHOLE MONTH OF JANUARY. THE WHOLE MONTH OF JANUARY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON AT THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON AT
ISSUE.>>

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